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To be so angry with this man? Or is it my grief coming out in a weird way?

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ConkerGame · 21/05/2020 14:02

My dear grandfather passed away two weeks ago from Covid-19 and we held his funeral yesterday. Under the current rules, obviously numbers are limited and restricted to immediate household/family members and a celebrant, unless no relatives can make it and then very close friends are allowed. The crematorium we used allowed 10 people and we had to be sat spaced out by household. Fortunately our immediate family is very small so we were all able to attend - my parents, me and DH, my sister and BIL, and my brother, so 7 of us.

Two days before the funeral I got a message from my dad (whose father it was that had died) saying "By the way, "Mike" wants to come to the funeral so he'll be attending too". Mike is a friend of my dad's, not a super close friend or a friend from childhood, so not someone who knew by granddad really well, but a neighbour who my parents have got to know over the last 15 years. He probably saw my granddad once a year for the past 8 years, at gatherings at my parents' house. He was definitely not in any way emotionally affected by my granddad's passing. As it happens, I've never been a big fan of Mike's - he's very loud, attention-seeking and tries to muscle his way into things. He also makes plenty of insensitive comments. He has also got my dad involved in some bad business deals in the past so I'm generally wary of him and his "friendship" with my dad.

I felt strange about it when I got the message - it didn't make sense at all for him to be there. We all knew that this wasn't the proper funeral we would have planned under normal circumstances, it was very much just an intimate family event and my dad is planning a larger memorial service when things open up again, that everyone who knew my granddad will be invited to. It's also obviously been a very horrible, stressful time for us all, as we weren't able to visit my granddad in hospital, haven't been able to visit each other to grieve together since the news of his passing and hadn't seen each other for 8 weeks before the death either, due to physical distance and the lockdown. So this funeral was going to be the first time we'd met as a family in 10 weeks and the first time we'd been able to all mourn together as a group. Obviously we've been speaking on the phone and video calls but it's completely different in person. So it felt really intrusive to me that a guy who most of us don't know very well and some of us don't like was going to be there too.

I messaged my dad back to ask if Mike knew this was just a small gathering for immediate family only and was also against the rules for random friends of relatives to be there, but he didn't reply. So I arrived at the crematorium yesterday to see Mike standing there with my parents. I'd arrived in tears, just wanting to be comforted by my family and to comfort them too, but bloody Mike was already there, cracking jokes and making small talk. I felt so angry that he was taking this time from us a family and changing the atmosphere in such an inappropriate manner. Thankfully we got called in for the service quickly and were then all sat separately (which was difficult in itself) and then after the funeral the vicar encouraged us to spend some time in the grounds, reminiscing together. But we couldn't because this random bloke was there, talking about the weather and the venue. I just walked off with DH and left as I couldn't hold back my tears and wanted to just be left alone with loved ones to grieve.

The immediate family all then went back to my parents' house to spend some time together in the garden, so I did get time with them all, just us. But since the funeral I've been feeling really really angry that what should have been a peaceful, comforting event where I said my last goodbyes to a much loved family member was turned into something stressful and awkward. When I first got the message from my dad I didn't push things too hard as I felt my dad deserved the most sympathy as it was his father who had died, and I didn't want to cause him any extra stress on what would already be a difficult day. But to be honest, my dad was actually fine on the day and it was me that needed comforting and I now feel a bit bereft and almost like my parents let me down a bit by allowing Mike to be there, if that makes sense? If any of my close friends had said they wanted to come, I would have thanked them for their thoughts but told them it wouldn't be appropriate, and I'd love to catch up with them separately on another day, rather than just impose them on the rest of my family.

My dad is not someone who confides deep feelings in friends or relies on them for support so he definitely wouldn't have asked Mike to come (especially as Mike was in no way close to my granddad!). I also question Mike's motives for being there - it definitely wasn't for the wider family benefit and he knows we're a tight-knit, loving family so it wasn't like my dad wasn't going to be completely supported by us if he needed it. I think it honestly just made him feel important, like a "special chosen" friend to be the only none-family member there.

I'm not sure how to get over this anger or what to do about it? I probably see Mike once a year and he's the type of insensitive man to say something like "you weren't very friendly to me at your granddad's funeral, were you!" next time he sees me. For that reason I want to tell my parents how annoyed I am that he was there and that I don't want to see him again in future, but I also don't want to cause them any stress.

AIBU?

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Bluebird3456 · 21/05/2020 14:49

Mike is a PITA and tone deaf. Be angry at him rather than your family. I'm sorry about your grandad. Flowers

ConkerGame · 21/05/2020 14:52

I am angry with Mike, absolutely. It's just if I don't say anything to my parents on this one, then what's he going to be at next? Turning up uninvited to my sister's wedding because "Mike always comes to our family events - remember he was at your granddad's funeral!" ?! I guess I feel like now's the time to tell them I don't want him invited to any other family events, to stop it from happening again in future.

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ConkerGame · 21/05/2020 14:54

@TooTrueToBeGood I think you're right. I should have spoken up more clearly when I first got the message but I was very much in the mindset of "whatever my dad needs to get through the day is fine". It was only as time went on and then the actual event happened that I realised how much it affected me and also the dynamics for the whole family and also realised that my dad would never have invited him.

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Washyourhandsyoufilthyanimal · 21/05/2020 14:57

Sorry for your loss. You do seem to be making it all about you though. Your dad lost someone too maybe mike was trying to be kind by being there to support him. Why have you given mike such power over your emotions? Don’t mention it to your mum and dad just move on and try and deal with you grief best you can.

Aweebawbee · 21/05/2020 14:59

How do the rest of the family feel about Mike being at the funeral?

ConkerGame · 21/05/2020 15:02

I guess I should be clear that I don't think Mike came with the intention of hurting any of us. More that it was just completely inappropriate and he is so tone-deaf he didn't think about how awkward him being there would be for everyone. He probably told himself he was doing a nice thing being there to support a friend. But it's obvious that dad had his wife, three children and two children-in-law there to support him. And if he'd needed a friend there, he had other much closer friends he would have asked, or friends of his father. We're not talking about someone who's close to the whole family here.

I guess it's partly my dad not really thinking about the dynamics and just muddling through. But that brings me back to the being taken advantage of point - he always does what he needs to for an easy life and it worries me.

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RuggerHug · 21/05/2020 15:04

Yanbu however it's done and can't be redone. When this is all back to some form of normality and you're back with your family you might ask 'By the way Dad, did Mike ever apologise for inviting himself to GDs funeral or does he still think that was ok?'.

Your Dad was probably put on the spot when asked and the day itself was just about getting through it.

SeasonFinale · 21/05/2020 15:04

The thing is no one just hears about deaths or funerals so your Dad must have told him. I suspect your Dad did invite him. Don't fall out with your Dad over this.

TeaAndHobnob · 21/05/2020 15:07

Mike does sound like a pain in the arse and I don't blame you for feeling the way you do.

I thought this was a good way to put it from @RuggerHug if you wanted to raise it - maybe not now but in a few months when things are less fraught. 'By the way Dad, did Mike ever apologise for inviting himself to GDs funeral or does he still think that was ok?'

Kittykat93 · 21/05/2020 15:09

What good would it do to bring it up now and cause an argument? It's not like he actually behaved badly at the funeral, even if he wasn't a close family member. I suggest you move on and let it go.

Jux · 21/05/2020 15:12

If he says anything bolshy to you about it you would be entirely reasonable to say something like "Your behaviour was completely inappropriate; don't make the same mistake now" and walk away.

Grief includes anger. You're OK and you've directed it at a deserving target, so win-win.

Jux · 21/05/2020 15:12

Really sorry about your grandad Flowers (should have said ^^)

Phrowzunn · 21/05/2020 15:14

YANBU to be annoyed at this Mike character, he sounds awful and I would feel exactly the same as you about the funeral BUT you would definitely BU to say something to your dad about it, sorry. He’s just lost his dad. That trumps everything. He is a grown man and at the end of the day he chose to have Mike there. Whatever the reasons for that (whether he actually wanted Mike there or whether he didn’t want the additional stress of a potential fallout with Mike by telling him he can’t come) is irrelevant, it’s what he chose to do. And it’s HIS DAD’S funeral. Not yours. As pp have said - why are your feelings more important than your dads? Right now, they’re not, sorry.

GabriellaMontez · 21/05/2020 15:14

Mike may be a wanker.

But your Dad either invited him or allowed him to come. He could easily have said "its not allowed" or a thousand other things.

Your Dad's an adult and although its frustrating when other adults dont behave the way we believe is in the best interests. There is nothing you can do. The most you can do imo, is ask your Dad "why did Mike come"? But only if you can do this in an unemotional way. Which you probably can't at the moment.

You say your dad wouldn't have said no to mike. You didn't say no to your dad. Brace yourself for any future events. Prepare to speak up about why you dont want Mike there.

Sorry for your loss.

1forAll74 · 21/05/2020 15:17

It is best to let this go now. The more you think about it, will make you sadder still. The fact that your Dad was fairly ok about this man attending, despite what you thought, should be considered really.

Palladin · 21/05/2020 15:21

Mike sounds awful and I would be raging in your situation. However, saying anything to your father about the funeral might be hurtful and it can't be undone now anyway. Instead, before the next family event I would mention that you find Mike overbearing and that he is spoiling the atmosphere, and that you'd rather he wasn't be allowed to invite himself. Perhaps give your father some ideas of what he could say to ward Mike off without feeling he's causing offence.

fuckinghellthisshit · 21/05/2020 15:32

Did you dad invite him to prevent overt shows of emotion?

Northernparent68 · 21/05/2020 15:40

Your father is an adult man, you do n’t need to protect him from Mike. If your father likes him then that’s all that matters.

Dogwalks2 · 21/05/2020 15:41

I had a similar experience in January, I posted about it so you can look it up. I was so angry I didn’t even sit on the family table afterwards. It took me a few weeks to calm down and let it go and I was given good advice on mn. Anger is a horrible emotion and the only person it will hurt is you.

katemonster · 21/05/2020 15:42

I am sorry for your loss.
We had one of these at my father's funeral. Nearly a decade later I still boil with rage when I think about it. Barely knew him and leapt up to do an impromptu speech.
You just have to do a better job than me of letting it go. Situations like funerals attract twats Flowers

TeaChocKitKat · 21/05/2020 15:44

Sorry for your loss. Mike is an insensitive dickhead. Sadly there are a lot of Mike's about. Don't fall out with your Dad over it x

Lougle · 21/05/2020 15:48

It would be interesting to hear your Dad's description of the day. It was his father's funeral and he obviously informed Mike of the details of the event, or he wouldn't have been there.

Northernparent68 · 21/05/2020 15:55

It might be worth examining why you dislike mike so much, most people are tolerable in a group setting.

IWantT0BreakFree · 21/05/2020 15:56

I think all the comments about “it’s your dad’s dad and so it’s his decision and nothing to do with anyone else” are bizarre. Just not at all reflective of the relationships in my family, wider family or people I know well. Nobody “owns” grief. Obviously there is somewhat of a hierarchy, which is why Linda from accounts doesn’t have to organise her colleague’s funeral. But is a grandchild/grandparent relationship really more emotionally distant than adult child/parent? Is it really a given that OP’s dad’s grief must have been deeper than hers? Or is the case that the funeral is for the benefit of the whole immediate(ish) family (in this case OP’s dad, OP and her siblings)?

I think your dad was wrong to allow someone like this Mike to attend and should have considered everyone else’s feelings too. But it’s done now and holding onto anger will only hurt you. I’d do as others have suggested, think of what you will say if/when Mike brings it up, and then resolve to move on.

Dieu · 21/05/2020 15:58

You're making this all about you. Just let it go. And what good will bringing up your annoyance over it do?
I'm sorry for your loss though Thanks