A.i.b.u to think UK fatigued with social distancing

[DollyPartons]

Yesterday a couple 60+ reached out to handshake.They believe the "covid thing is fake"
Yesterday, elderly parent deliberately hugged DD
Today somebody grabs my nutrician bar to read and tell me the bad ingredients. People coming closer in shops, on pavements. Im scared.

I'm taking my dc over to my mum's at the weekend. The new guidance is a load of bloody nonsense. We've all been isolated for weeks and weeks and we don't have covid. So i think I'm more capable of assessing my personal risk than the government is. Theyre happy for me to go to a crowded park and sit 2 metres away from as many complete strangers as I like, but not sit 2 metres away from my mum in her own back garden. It's fucking stupid and the government don't know what they're doing. I know I'll get flamed but I'm past caring. Contrary to popular Mumsnet belief, the chance of me killing anyone by doing this is statistically very very low.

@Alittlepotofrosie

I'm in a similar position to you in that I'm able to be completely isolated for two weeks and continue working.

I'd gladly isolate for two weeks, then see my family. Isolate for another two weeks and see my husband's (they'd be able to fully isolate for those periods too, and continue working).

This would have as close to zero-fucking risk as was humanly possible.

The problem is that since not everyone is able to be as isolated as you and I are is the significant 'it's not fair' factor. And no, it isn't fair, but then there's no 'fairplay' factor when it comes to calculating R.

Haud “ it’s guidance not law and no you aren’t allowed to meet up with family in private premises even if that’s in their garden, Mr Rabb explicitly advised against.”

If it’s guidance and not law

Is it actually illegal to meet someone in their garden?

CoachBombay the person our family lost was barely 70 and in good health, with no pre-existing conditions. He thought it was all a bit silly and that he wasn’t at particular risk too. “Death comes to us all” has been little comfort to us throughout his long, drawn out death alone in ICU, and the nightmare of grieving apart and deciding who gets to attend his funeral. I’m glad it has brought comfort to you though.
Sorry for your loss.

I think the guidelines are far too vague and somewhat draconian. Not to mention totally illogical. Does a baby or toddler count as a person. A two year old can hardly go to the park on its own to meet a grandparent and stay socially distant to obey the rule of two. It's all a bit mad IMHO.

There are quite a few studies showing the virus will run its course with or without a lockdown. Why have the Italian and Spanish death tolls been so high, despite their much harsher lockdown than ours?

We can't get rid of it. We just have to try and mitigate it.

A lot of the way people are reacting is because of the "not fair" factor. Obviously shielding the vulnerable rather than everyone locking down is more logical...but people think that's not fair.

I've seen this for weeks in my area. Groups of mainly teenage boys hanging out. Obvious Grandparents as they look 60+ alone with grandchildren (unless they all live together) people in locked kids parks. People walking past me from behind without even attempting to distance even though there is room. It's like normal a lot of the time just places are shut. BJ says he trusts the common sense of the British public. I say a good percentage don't really do it from what I've seen anyhow?

Imnotawitchimyourwife I am also sorry for your loss, but if it's any condolence your relative decided to live how they wanted to live, and enjoyed their final days how they wanted to.

Same as my uncle, who had also no underlying health conditions except being old. He decided he was willing to take the risk, he went to Tesco, went for walks in the park, sat in the garden with his cat. He lost his wife 10 years ago and it really did hit him hard after over 60 years of marriage, part of me thinks he wanted to take the risk, because he wanted to be reunited with her, bless him.

No, lockdown just came too late. If the government had reacted to the warnings from Italy and Spain rather than wasting time with their ridiculous let’s just go for herd immunity idea he’d still be with us.

Anyway, I’m in danger of derailing the thread, and this isn’t helping my mood today, so I’ll leave it there.