Dr Judy Mikovits

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AIBU to find this interesting?

YABU: She doesn't know what she's talking about

YANBU: It is deeply concerning

Zilla, please enlighten me as to how death certificates work.

The issue with COVID is (and Jane does not seem able to grasp this) is that it interacts very badly with underlying conditions, many of which would not have caused death for decades, if at all.

People can live for decades with Type 2 Diabetes if well managed. My great-aunt had Type 1 and lived to be 85 - the same applies. People can live for a decade or more with Alzheimers, and in the mild stages they can have an excellent quality of life and bring much happiness to their relative.

COVID robs people of all that. But hey, they 'would have died anyway'. A sickening way of thinking.

A relative of mine died of COVID, not a very close relative but close enough for us to know they were in hospital and why and to be called when they died. They had COPD however it was well managed, they were a healthy weight, had a reasonably active lifestyle, was a member of a few local groups and committees, very much living life. He could have easily lived another 10-15 years if he hadn't gotten COVID so it very much was his cause of death.

Death certificates have space for recording hewlth conditions as well as which of these was the likely cause of death.

Kkslider
The point is that even if death certificates list all of the co-morbidities, if they have COVID on them, they are added to the COVID death list, all you need is to test positive of COVID, even if it did not even indirectly contribute to your death ( in a case where one was asymptomahic or had mild symptoms)

Jane you're still not getting it.

COVID 19 in combination with underlying health conditions means the patient is more likely to die. Therefore in the presence of a positive test, it is reasonable to presume that COVID 19 has been a contributing factor in the patient's death. And therefore it should be counted as a COVID related death.

By your logic, we should count no deaths as COVID, because people are actually dying of pneumonia.

as I, along with these doctors, scientists and epidemiologists believe that the death rate is similar to a severe influenza

Why does the doctor in the video you posted say that’s not the case? The interviewer has an obvious bias but that’s not quite the same. (Although the bit where he tried to shoehorn in a second go at the flu question after not getting the answer he wanted was funny) I’ve only watched the first 20 mins but unless he changes position and goes full whack job in the second half, I suspect you might have taken what you wanted to hear from it.

It is an interesting interview. crucially though it was uploaded in the muddle of April. I’d be interested to see what his opinion is now given what’s happened in the US since.

Jane - the human body is a finely balanced machine, particularly with regard to the heart, lungs and kidneys. Anything - like high blood pressure, or asthma - that might tip that machine out of kilter is an issue. Now, if you add a virus like COVID to the mix, you have a double whammy. The machine has not dealt with this before either, and it just doesn’t have the tools necessary to deal with it now.

That’s why deaths are added to the COVID list.

TheClaws
Many people that have COVID are asymypomatic or have very mild symptoms so no, I don't think every single positive has tipped the individual towards dying. People die of things other than COVID, don't you know?

Jane you still really don't understand. Anything. The ones that are asymptomatic are not the ones that end up in hospital and die. Are you saying it's complete and utter coincidence that the death rate for COVID patients with comorbities is so much higher? Just because we do not yet know exactly how COVID interacts with other health conditions that doesn't mean it isn't happening. We will probably find out eventually. Until then, let's go with what the data is telling us rather than believing conspiracy theories and people who have been discredited.

Pointythings
You still don't understand. People that are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms but have tested positive for COVID and die of something else but with COVID in their system are added to the death count. Im really struggling to see how this is difficult for you to comprehend?

If you have leukaemia.
And you get COVID.
And you die earlier than you would otherwise have done.
Then it is likely that COVID contributed to/hastened your death.
Therefore it should be counted as a COVID related death.

I'm really struggling to see how this is difficult for you to comprehend?

On the other hand if you get run over by a bus and die, and by some miracle of it will never happen get tested for COVID before you croak, and are found positive (so clearly asymptomatic) no, your death will not be counted in the COVID death stats. It will be counted as an accidental death.

You seem to want COVID to be just a little cold, tralala, so your business can start up again. I get that. There's going to be an almighty recession. People are going to lose their jobs, their homes, all that.

But the other option was always going to be 250,000+ deaths. There are no happy endings here.