To think it’s about time @MNHQ stepped up and did something about the teacher bashing.

[SachaStark]

This evening has been AWFUL here on the AIBU board.

@MNHQ, at what point do you actually plan to intervene and do something about the sheer number of teacher bashing threads, and individual posts? Should we expect any kind of moderation?

Or, is this in fact, “all in the spirit of Mumsnet”? Because at the moment, you’re making it look a darn sight like you agree by proxy.

I think in some schools they're feasible yes. I don't think it'd work here. We do have a computer room as one extra room. We don't have a library etc.
The only issue with our hall is it's also used for lunch which will be staggered I assume so out of action for a good portion of the day.

It'll certainly be interesting though I can only assume that once all back we will have to be returning to full classes. There is no other solution for our building.

All our trays etc are built into the walls so a big job to remove. And they have IWB and other stuff built into them etc, so not an easy one either.

There is an awful lot of noise carry through with partition walls.

So sounds like we're back to saying that it doesn't actually matter if schools are providing teaching or childcare, or the quality of the children's experience while there, as long as they're open.

While I don't agree MN should restrict free speech (they do too much of that anyway), I do agree with this picnic found.

*pic 😅

Apparently all threads started about teachers are apparently “bashing”

Some schools and some teachers are shite, unless we’ve all to believe teachers are all golden eggs and should be treated like gods

Catching up on the thread, but can I say how nice it is that finally some people are noticing that it's the GOVERNMENT proposals that teachers and unions have an issue with, that it's the GOVERNMENT saying no to rotas, it's the GOVERNMENT saying no to face masks for teachers whilst other adults are being told to wear face masks in spaces more open than classrooms, it's the GOVERNMENT who've said no to part time return to school.

It's also the GOVERNMENT who've under funded schools for a decade. Schools in need of rebuilds haven't had them and many schools are fitting 34 children into rooms only designed to comfortably hold 30. There's a recruitment and a retention issue in the profession that throwing £30k training bursaries hasn't solved.

Risk from lack of PPE and social distancing aside, the spare teaching space and staff to do what the government are suggesting isn't going to come from thin air.

The government have conveniently focused on soundbites and sent unworkable plans to schools, safe in the knowledge the right wing press will vilify unions for standing up for teachers and children. Judging by Mumsnet, it's working pretty well in places.

It’s the fact that it varies so much between schools. My sister has not been into her secondary for a single day since lockdown, there just aren’t the number of pupils in the hub for her to work. She’s only doing a few hours every other day if that. Then other schools and teachers have their staff doing actual zoom lessons full time, then other people have been told, enjoy your kids, take them outside and protect them emotionally and see you in September. It’s that everyone is different.

We re expecting supermarket workers to work for us, but then uproar from teachers seems out of proportion to those who have to work in supermarkets etc, I don’t see any threads from supermarket workers spamming them with flowers.

I’m lost as to how putting a temporary wall down the middle of a 4x4 room with 15 kids on either side creates more space for distancing than 30 and 1 teacher without the ‘wall’?

Those saying, you’re going back like it or not-you realise you’re saying children are going back whether it’s safe or not?

Also those saying care workers have cracked on without ppe or safe practices-do you know how many elderly have died as a result of that? Would they not have benefited from their workers unions demanding safer practices?

I’ve seen a carer on a “go back to work teachers” thread bragging that she still went to work even though 3 colleagues she worked shifts with had tested positive for covid! How many old people stuck in conditions like that have been infected and died unnecessarily because of practices like that?

Do you really want schools to be as reckless?

@Bathroom12345 Would that be the same Children's Commissioner who doesn't care that most of the safeguarding rules have been eroded, without consultation, in relation to adoption and fostering?

She talks about disadvantaged children needing to be in school.

It's appalling that six weeks so far of beong at home when school would normally have be open is too traumatic for some children to continue to endure.

Maybe she should be looking at that instead of expecting teachers to cure all of society's ills.

TheHoneyBadger I’ve been at work throughout in a high risk occupation. The kids gave been at home but mine will be back when they are able to re open, so yes I’m one of those that say “they are going back one way or another”.

None of my family are vulnerable and they can’t stay at home until a vaccine is found, if indeed it ever is.

Fingers crossed they and your family will be ok.

But nicknacky your kids have had school open to them all along surely? Or have you been doing a high risk job that isn’t key work? I thought that was against lockdown rules surely?

I personally would welcome it if Mumsnet did something about the everything bashing across the board.

Far too many really nasty comments and some threads resemble a bear pit.

TheHoneyBadger What is against “lockdown rules”?

You do understand that it wasn’t only essential workers that have been working, right?

And yes, I’m a key worker although I despise that term.

This is probably a silly question, but couldn’t the youngest returning children be pretty well taught exclusively outdoors or using gazebo-type shelters? it being the summer term?

@SachaStark get in line! It would be great if @MNHQ would do something about the awful racism against BAME and religious groups too. We’ve been asking longer than the teachers.

Nicknacky-so school has been available all along for your children. What is your occupation? Obviously you know mine

TheHoneyBadger No, I don’t think I do know yours? My husband hasn’t been working much so haven’t needed school and he has taken the youngest with him on occasion.

The land of many schools has been sold off. Some newer schools have been built with no outdoor space or provisions.

Jings-not much care for bame staff or students on these threads so some crossover we could all fight together 😆

Generally I think YABU.

Yes, some people ‘teacher bash’. But it goes the other way too - and I’ve seen plenty of perfectly reasonable posts raising valid points or giving a first hand experience of a shoddy teacher or school (and yes, shoddy teachers and schools do exist) which are positively piled on by teachers shouting ‘teacher bashing’. It’s tiresome.

The vast majority of people with dc have kids in schools who have teachers. People are bound to have opinions and should be allowed to voice them.

I’m a teacher you? You’re happy to attack one occupation and demand answers and justifications of their working practices. Surely you’re not cagey about sharing what you’re own high risk occupation is?

I’m struck by the move to silence debate as ‘teacher bashing.’

I’m appalled really that resonance debate is labelled as such.

TheHoneyBadger* I’m not cagey at all, I just thought we must have conversed previously and I should have remembered.

Where have I attacked an occupation?

I’m a police officer.

Right so def covered by keyworker status then. Can I ask why you haven’t sent them in if schools so important that you’ll be sending them back no matter what soon?