to think that this will bring about England as a separate country after this?

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Is Boris Johnson the Prime Minister of the UK in name only? He seems to have forgotten about the rest of the UK in his speech as it was mainly about what people can and can't do in England.

Are there police on the border crossings in Wales and Scotland?

This crisis must be playing into the hands of people who would like to see the other countries in the UK as sovereign states recognised by the UN (as Richard Osmond would say)

Personally speaking, I think it would be good to have England as its own country. And good for the other countries as well. We could of course co-operate economically, have freedom of movement and free trade etc.

"Englands rules were always different to Wales's

He's not done a good job communicating that."
It's always been clear to people in Wales, that the rules for Wales were different to England, it was all over Welsh news etc. I guess people in England didnt really need to know.

I thought that it was a passive aggressive jibe at the other countries, in particular Scotland?

The other countries of the UK deserve their independence, to make the decisions that suit them - as do the people in England

Do you think that decisions made by the UK government don’t suit or benefit England currently?

Well if Scotland are happy enough to forgo the furlough pipeline from a London, then they can do what they want. So can wales.

It would be a bit daft and confusing if he read out Englands rules, then Wales's, then Scotland's then Northern Irelands.
It was or people in those areas to watch their own First Minister or whatever they are called, and follow the rules for their area.

He's not done a good job communicating that.

He is very poor at communicating, even when delivering a prerecorded speech. I also refer you to the dozens of mixed messages coming out of Westminster right now.

I hope so.

Jazzle he is the UK prime minister. I am no political expert, but although health is devolved, security and safety are probably things that he can pull rank on. I am certain BJ wanted the UK to move as one, but the other nations didn't want to. I am not 100% certain the others just wanted to be different as such, its just a nagging feeling I have. Nicola doesn't usually miss a trick on this. The UK government establishes a UK wide Homesless initiative, Nicola comes along and starts a Scottish Homelessness initiative to run parallel.

As regards the 'R' number, this is so difficult to measure. IF it is higher in scotland it is likely down to care homes. I can't see how allowing scots a 2nd exercise in the day or a round of socially distanced golf is going to make one iota of difference in scotland. Infact, given how dencely populated London is and how they rely on public transport, it is far more a risk in London than it would ever be in Scotland or Wales.

For the record, I absolutely love Scotland, the land, its beauty and especially the people. I spend several months of the year there for work and pleasure. However its politics always seems to look at every issue through the prism of independence, and how it can differentiate itself, rather than what is best for Scotland itself.

It was or people in those areas to watch their own First Minister or whatever they are called, and follow the rules for their area

I wonder how many people from England will have heard what he said about travel and exercise, and then pop into Scotland or Wales?

Do you think people living in England are aware that what he said was just about England?

Why would they care?

Why would they care

Because Wales and Scotland are lovely places to visit (see the Whitby thread)

Are you taking about the Rough Sleepers Initiative? Open to English Councils only so not UK.

Well if Scotland are happy enough to forgo the furlough pipeline from a London, then they can do what they want. So can wales.

The furlough is being funded from the tax revenues (now and in the future) of all four nations, not just England. Or do you think everyone outside of England is on the dole? But if we fund ourselves in Wales from now on, then you lot are going to have to find a few billion for the water Wales supplies you with for starters.

Scotland has many assets such as 90% of UK water, the world's leading wave and tidal test centre, two thirds of total fish caught in the UK to make a few. I'm in England by the way but can see why we are stronger together

Well if Scotland are happy enough to forgo the furlough pipeline from a London, then they can do what they want. So can wales

What are you on about the furlough scheme and extention applies nationwide..

The devolved nations are acting like England has reopened nightclubs and organsised a music festival. The only differences relate to outdoor exercise, and being able to drive somewhere to do it. Neither of which are risk factors, arguably this should have been the case from the start, or at least the start of teh downward trend. Boris is suggesting also that if you can work safely then you should. The differences are small, but you would think Boris is sending people over the top in the Somme, not allowing an extra walk in a quiet park.

They’d all be fucked without us. Let Scotland try again (because once in a lifetime doesn’t seem to mean anything to Nicola Sturgeon), and in the very unlikely scenario they vote to leave, let them.

They’ll soon regret it.

😅 seems so. You've not even mentioned NI in your post. FYI, these are all devolved issues so BJ has no proper jurisdiction over the other 3 UK countries.

They’d all be fucked without us

😂😂😂

Cute that you actually think this.

"they'd all be fucked without us"

Oh dear. England water is going to run out in the next 20 years. Scotland has one loch that has more water than in the whole of England. If anyone is going to be fucked if we go, it's going to be England

I'm Englisn, I would definitely like Scotland to have independence. I will admit my reasons are selfish, according to the original white paper I could claim Scottish citizenship as my dad was born and grew up in Scotland. My kids could also have that.

Well there are 4 countries in the UK so England is a separate country. Just as Scotland is a separate country...

What's the little England massive?

This type of thing....

They’d all be fucked without us. Let Scotland try again (because once in a lifetime doesn’t seem to mean anything to Nicola Sturgeon), and in the very unlikely scenario they vote to leave, let them

They'll soon regret it

The cringeworthy over-inflated self worth that some people display!

I am certain BJ wanted the UK to move as one, but the other nations didn't want to.

I expect BJ would have been happy for the other nations to just fall in line without any questions, but if he’d been serious about keeping the UK in step he would have discussed the situation with their head of government, listened to their concerns and attempted to develop a plan that everyone could live with. Instead he didn’t consult them at all and they found out about the change of plan and slogan through reading the papers. That is ridiculously poor governance and absolutely not the actions of someone who gives a shit about the other nations.

It would have been better for us to continue in step - Sturgeon has always been clear that this was her preference - but BJ’s handling of this has been appalling and it’s absurd to suggest that the other nations should just follow up blindly without even being consulted on what’s best for their countries.

I don't think we would be fucked without England 😂 do your research before making stupid comments like that. overworked certainly has