To refuse to have a corona vaccine?

[EasyPleasey]

A lot of people seem to be waiting for a corona vaccine. However I just dont trust any vaccine 'rushed' out, especially after all the mistakes made so far in this crisis. I would rather catch the actual virus and take my chances, as for most people it is a mild illness but who knows what the vaccine may do.

I know quite a few other people who say they will refuse any vaccine for this. I have had all the other vaccines, as have my children.

AIBU?

Uh, I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself.

If too many people think like you we will never get rid of the virus then ! Like how fucking measles has reappeared again! :(

What makes you think you will get it mildly?!

How appalling that these under qualified chancers have been giving lockdown release advice to the Government, without consulting “experts” such as Keir Starmer, Nicola Sturgeon, Piers Morgan, Laura Kunesberk and Karen on Facebook. 🤔

You do know that this is a thread about pros and cons of vaccination? Not the space for unsolicited party political broadcast equivalents?

However I suppose these are all unqualified too, are they?

www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/government-s-road-map-out-of-lockdown-is-too-fast-too-confusing-and-too-risky-says-bma

Covid-19: England plan to ease lockdown is “confusing” and “risky,” say doctors
www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1877

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-who/who-warns-against-rushed-end-to-coronavirus-lockdowns-idUKKBN22I2E9

www.afp.com/en/news/15/top-us-virus-expert-warns-premature-exit-lockdown-doc-1rf2ff4

www.cnbc.com/2020/05/11/who-warns-that-coronavirus-cases-have-jumped-in-countries-that-eased-lockdowns.html

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/12/tories-lockdown-social-distancing-testing-second-wave-coronavirus

And OP at the moment it is your choice but, given the global concerns about the virus, you may find that your movements are restricted if there is a vaccination and you are not vaccinated: for example some countries may restrict entry to the unvaccinated. Personally, though I understand your fears, at least to a certain extent, I would be concerned that there will be those who are vulnerable who for other reasons may not be able to be vaccinated and whose health would be compromised by contact with those who could be vaccinated but opted not to be. This is already a problem for those who can't have existing vaccines and are being put at risk by anti-vaxxers.

@AndMyHairWillShineLikeTheSea there were ones in advanced trial stages but money dried up. Which is why I'm highly skeptical they'll keep throwing money at research for a vaccine and focus on reducing transmission and better care for those that do get sick. That's more likely IMO

OP I won’t be having it either, nor will my children so that spares up some more for others who are desperate for it.

I imagine those people who have flu jabs will be offered vaccination first. That includes me and I’ll be off for mine at the first opportunity.

Out of interest how much do you know about the development of vaccines, medical trials, and clinical ethical standards?

Why let real facts get in the way of media stoked opinion!

Personally I believe in waiting for the data, testing, is it mandatory or not, possible side effects, benefits to society before deciding, but you do you.

IMO those that refuse it should not be allowed into public places. Why should everyone be at risk because of you? there’s a scaremongering video all about that doing the rounds. Something about the government being able to come into your house and remove your property and your children if you refuse the vaccine. Which is of course total bullshit.

We fight for bodily autonomy on so many levels, this is no different.

Yes,there are drugs which carry side effects,some of them major ones,but the difference between those and this vaccine is that the side effects of the medications are known whether the side effects of the vaccine are not.

During the swine flu outbreak the GP’s prescribed tamiflu for those with symptoms.But when I looked at the side effects of it they were worse than the actual flu itself,so even though I had it, I opted not to take tamiflu.

if the side effects are known then you can make informed choices.If the side effects of a vaccine aren’t known then you go into being vaccinated blindly with no idea as to the potential consequences.

One of the drugs I take has the side effect of causing potential liver and kidney damage,thyroid issues, scarring on the lungs and hyper sensitivity to sunlight, to the extent I have to wear factor50 sunscreen when I go out. But the benefit of that drug is that it keeps my atrial fibrillation under control which previously landed me in ICU and almost dead. The benefit of the drug outweighs the risk, and I’ll take my chances,even with such potentially damaging side effects.

An anti emetic I was prescribed however has the side effect of increased heart rate,and having taken it and my heart rate shooting up to 168 bpm in about 30 seconds,I’m afraid the side effects of the drug were worse than the benefit,and as such I now have on my notes that I cannot take it.

And if it transpires that a vaccine has serious side effects should people still be forced to have it for the good of others? To sacrifice themselves?

I am in a vulnerable group and as such will take my chances with a vaccine if one is produced. And TBH I highly doubt that it will be available to everyone anyway,most likely to those who are entitled to a flu jab first.

But it’s not unreasonable to have concerns over a vaccine which hasn’t yet been developed and thus the side effects are unknown.

I don't think I'd have one, if it were available, because I don't really give a toss if I catch Covid. It there were vaccination against lockdown, though, I'd have that one.

Someone said that refusing one vaccine doesn't make you an anti-vaxxer and that is true.

However saying ", it seems unusual that a lot of people I know are also very suspicious of any vaccine for this and so far all saying they wont have it." pretty much does. It's inviting you to believe in conspiracy.

How appalling that these under qualified chancers have been giving lockdown release advice to the Government, without consulting “experts” such as Keir Starmer, Nicola Sturgeon, Piers Morgan, Laura Kunesberk and Karen on Facebook

Bit unfair to include Nicola Sturgeon in your point, she is First Minister of Scotland and has never claimed to be a scientific expert. She is using the same science as Boris is.

this NY Times article and graphics are the best I've seen about how they are speeding things up. Half of the time savings (like 2-3 years) are coming from building the factory, and starting building before they are sure of which vaccines will be used. How long does it take to build a hospital??? Covid has shown wgat xan be done when needed.
I wont be shouting to be at the front of the queue. I probably wont decline, but will reserve judgement on the results of the trials, and how long since the phase III trials ended.

No one knows the long term effects of the virus. But yeah, you take your chances

People who say this clearly don't understand how vaccines work. It's relatively simple to make a vaccine.
You don't have a lifetime of studies on other drugs to know if there'll be any long term effects from them so why would one dose of a vaccine make a difference?
Vaccines aren't just released willy nilly but they can be accelerated for release through the FDA "fast track designation" scheme which basically means it skips the queue of drugs waiting to be released.
Basically long term effects usually come from long term use of drugs, not single doses.

Me and mine will be having it if we can, we had the swine flu vaccine as well

I’ll take your spot in the queue ,happily

My concern is not about the speed of bringing it to the market, but its efficacy.
This is a flu-like virus. Just like any flu vaccine, they are at least a year out of season.
Flu like virus changes morphology upon each contact.
I never got my head around how can people be vaccinated against a flu-like virus (obviously with variable success), and not a surprise why it is a big thing in the UK, but hardly anywhere else in Europe.

Boost your immune system!
That should be the primary message, in my medically qualified opinion.

it seems unusual that a lot of people I know are also very suspicious of any vaccine for this and so far all saying they wont have it.
Because I bet all these people are on Facebook getting sucked into the conspiracy theories ..

@Horehound
Are you aware of the swine flu vaccine which caused narcolepsy and other long-term medical issues (acknowledged and compensation reluctantly paid), mostly in children, in 2009? The number of confirmed cases of narcolepsy are almost as many as the number of deaths from swine flu, in the UK so far.
Or the dengue vaccine, which has caused hundreds of deaths, again mostly amongst children? (It was found to make the Dengue infection worse when caught, if the vaccine was given to someone who hadn't already had the virus once, due to the way the immune system responds to different strains). It also caused overall faith in vaccines to drop, causing a resurgence of measles in the Philippines.

I'm not an anti-cancer, but vaccines and medications absolutely do usually have multiple years and stringent testing before general use. (With the exception of notable cases which mostly seem to affect women only).
I'm not an anti-vaxxer in the slightest, and I despair at those who are. I also think that it's absolutely right that they make production of a vaccine a high priority. But I would be wary of having this vaccine so early on, with so little time to establish that there will be no long-term effects.

*anti-vaxxer, not anti-cancer ffs

Everyone I know would have the vaccine tomorrow if only it was possible. I think it's selfish not to have it and risk the health of others who aren't allowed to have it.
I would just think if one of my children got sick or worse died from Covid and I could have prevented it I'd feel guilty forever.
Obviously up to other parents how they feel.
There are risks with all medication and vaccines but you risk them why is this so different? A vaccine with possible side effects or a very painful death? Know what I'd chose.
Anyway I personally think a vaccine is a long way off.

Those criticising my post are missing the point - it wasnt political, it was making the point that the chief medical advisors are the most educated people out there on this particular topic. They trump the public, piers morgan, online anti vaxxing hippies, conspiracy theorists, and even regular medical workers. They will be seeing information we are not privy to, they will be consulting with other incredibly senior medical figures and they will actually understand the science and statistics put before them. It is not up to Pete on Facebook to look up a few facts on thalidomide and conclude all medicine is unsafe.

As for rights and freedoms, a right to life comes first. Without it you can't have any of the other rights.

In my view, if somebody doesnt want the vaccine, fine. But they should not be entitled to force their stupid risk taking onto others by sharing schools, hospitals and public places with them.