Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Original poster

To refuse to have a corona vaccine?

384 replies

EasyPleasey · 13/05/2020 13:35

A lot of people seem to be waiting for a corona vaccine. However I just dont trust any vaccine 'rushed' out, especially after all the mistakes made so far in this crisis. I would rather catch the actual virus and take my chances, as for most people it is a mild illness but who knows what the vaccine may do.

I know quite a few other people who say they will refuse any vaccine for this. I have had all the other vaccines, as have my children.

AIBU?

OP posts:
RedFoz · 13/05/2020 22:01

Your not being unreasonable at all OP. I'm a scientist (not working on the vaccine). I'm not getting the vaccine right now and neither are my colleagues. Vaccine for SARS have been worked on for years with no success.

However IF it did pass testing and were to be rolled out fully I would but I doubt it. I don't think an actually working vaccine will be available for some time.

LockedInMadness · 13/05/2020 22:04

Just don’t expect any sympathy if you get and die of Covid after it’s offered

Why so bloody nasty? I wont have it (to start with) but I won't be evil about those who choose to.

RyanBergarasTeeth · 13/05/2020 22:07

The thing people are failing to understand about people saying they dont want it, is not that they dont want it ever, they just dont want a brand new vaccine thats hasnt got data available for it over the course of a couple of years of people having it. I was one of the first girls to get the hpv vaccine and a couple of girls i know suffered a vaccine injury from it. Loads of women on here refuse to let their daughters get that now even though hpv will cause them more issues than corona virus. I still would get the hpv one now because years have now passed and the vaccine dose was changed and we have better data for it. If we do get a corona virus vaccine i will be waiting a couple of years before considering it and monitoring the data that comes out of it. After all vaccines have room for improvement. As i said the hpv one has changed in ten years it used to be 3 doses now its 2. The polio vaccine refered to as the cutter incident accidently used a live virus that caused harm. Im sure the dengue fever one did too as well as a 2018 flu vaccine recalled for fears it was contaminated. (it wasnt but there was a high chance it was.). So although a vaccine is great i dont understand people losing their shit over people who refuse to be first in line for it.

Mum2jenny · 13/05/2020 22:08

Redfoz I agree 100%. It is very unlikely to have a vaccine any time soon. I’m unaware of any current vaccines for any Coronavirus.

Common colds are coronaviruses and there’s never been a vaccine for these. People can expect to get 2-3 colds per year.

We do not really know that if a person has had Covid-19, how long any immunity will last.

tinkerbellla · 13/05/2020 22:11

@Wolfgirrl you are spot on!

mecabag · 13/05/2020 22:11

I personally think a Covid-19 vaccine will be as useless as a flu vaccine.

bumbleymummy · 13/05/2020 22:12

From the same article I linked to above:

“ One significant hurdle is the lack of data on how well these new technologies work. DNA and mRNA vaccines have been tested in a minuscule number of people compared with more traditional approaches, which are given to hundreds of millions of people every year. Inovio says that more than 2,000 people have received its experimental DNA vaccines, and Moderna has tested its mRNA therapies and vaccines in more than 1,000 individuals.”

Mimishimi · 13/05/2020 22:13

YANBU. There is NO way i will be getting one.

RedFoz · 13/05/2020 22:17

As @Blurry009 said the industry is geared up for first one wins and would be due to make a lot of money from it. So mistakes in the first year could be made.

As another pp said as well mutation rate with covid, may mean by the time its rolled out may not be effective anymore anyway.

I think a lot of people are putting all hope that a vaccine will solve everything and then we can go back to normal. Not wanting to accented the lifestyle change that might need to happen

Viviennemary · 13/05/2020 22:19

Let's wait to see what they come up with before deciding.

KeepWashingThoseHands · 13/05/2020 22:26

As is said on every thread about this, if everyone refuses to have new treatments as it's perceived to not have enough data, how do we think we'll get that data? Completely relies on some people taking a risk so everyone else benefits. It's that attitude that grates.

DoubleTweenQueen · 13/05/2020 22:32

Quite right - it's still early days

Doveyouknow · 13/05/2020 22:33

I think I will save my energy for worrying about whether to have a vaccine Covid for when there is an actual vaccine. At least at that point I can at least make an informed choice knowing the type of vaccine and its likely effectiveness.

I am not sure length of time taken to develop it necessarily impacts safety. However, it’s true as it’s rolled out more rare side effects become apparent (like narcolepsy and the flu vaccine). So as long as you can find enough other people to take it before you.....

JudyGemstone · 13/05/2020 22:38

Wolfgirl can someone explain to me how someone who hasn't had the vaccine puts those who have had it in danger?

maria860 · 13/05/2020 22:40

I'm not anti vax I've had vaccines but I wouldn't have the flu vaccine and this one I will wait and see.
Your putting something into your body at the end of the day I want all the facts first. I will wait for a while.
I think it will only be certain age groups and high risk groups first anyway.

DameFanny · 13/05/2020 22:43

I've seen exactly that 'rushed vaccine' and 'I've had all the other vaccines but' wording all over Facebook and Twitter. Fucking Russian bot farms. Angry

Wolfgirrl · 13/05/2020 22:45

@JudyGemstone

Certainly. We dont know yet that the vaccine will be given to newborn babies; therefore they are one vulnerable group right there. We also know vaccines are not 100% effective in everyone (like mumps - my sister had it this year despite having the MMR when she was a baby). So there might be that as well. There may be children who miss the vaccine through their parent's negligence, or because of other medical reasons are unable to have it. There we go, more vulnerable people. And to top it off you may go abroad and infect somebody in a developing country who does not have access to the vaccine.

There we go, I've answered your question, which is more than you did for mine Smile

PunkrockerGirl59 · 13/05/2020 22:45

Your choice OP.. But I hope you're prepared to remain in lockdown as you appear to not give a toss about anyone other than yourself. Come and spend the day with me on the covid ward OP and help me transfer the ones that fit the criteria to the hospice for end of life care. And how about you telling the families that they can't visit. Imagime if the last contact you had with your loved one was waving them off in an ambulance. That's the reality for so many people at the moment. And how about you ring the families to tell them their loved one have died. This is my job every day at the moment and threads like this make want to bang my head against the wall and weep.But you crack on OP, I just despair 😢

Wolfgirrl · 13/05/2020 22:45

@Mimishimi

Then you should be very grateful there are many people braver and with a sense of care towards others, that will get it.

Pixxie7 · 13/05/2020 22:53

If everyone had your attitude we would be in this state for ever, result in many more deaths. Do you really want to be part responsible for this?

RyanBergarasTeeth · 14/05/2020 00:37

However, it’s true as it’s rolled out more rare side effects become apparent (like narcolepsy and the flu vaccine). So as long as you can find enough other people to take it before you.....

Then you should be very grateful there are many people braver and with a sense of care towards others, that will get it.

Again as demonstrated here there are plenty of people willing themselves up as sacrifice. No one should be forced to have something that lacks long term data against their will. (and yes trying to ban people from society aka schools and social benefits is a form of coercive manipulation against someones autonomy.)

Bubblebee7 · 14/05/2020 00:44

I wouldn’t trust it either. I will observe others that want to be the first one to trial a new vaccination before rushing to go and get it.

adellaranger · 14/05/2020 00:51

Again as demonstrated here there are plenty of people willing themselves up as sacrifice. No one should be forced to have something that lacks long term data against their will. (and yes trying to ban people from society aka schools and social benefits is a form of coercive manipulation against someones autonomy.)
100%!
Seems some people only believe in autonomy and bodily rights when it’s something they agree with and not because they believe it to be a basic right in a civilised country.

letitgolego · 14/05/2020 01:24

(and yes trying to ban people from society aka schools and social benefits is a form of coercive manipulation against someones autonomy.)

It would be if it was purely as a form of punishment. However it is not. It is in the interest of public health and protecting those that CAN'T (not won't) be protected by a vaccine. I don't want to lock people in their houses for the fun of it or ban them from state education but for every person that chooses not to be vaccinated they put multiple people that can't be vaccinated or vaccines aren't as effective to at risk.

I have an auto immune disease. I can still have most vaccination and do, however each one is only about 50% as effective for me as it is for someone with a 'normal' immune system. And considering some vaccines are only 60% effective anyway that leaves me with a measly 30% protection. Every single person who chooses not to get vaccinated put me and many people like me (or even more vulnerable) at risk through no choice of their own. By not vaccinating you are playing roulette with our lives. And this risk can be reduced by preventing people who pose this risk from partaking in things that would intensify this risk.

Do you think countries that won't allow you in (a visa) without proof of a certain vaccine are coercing you into having that vaccine? Or are they protecting the interest of public health, giving you the choice to come, but that choice is conditional to you not posing a risk?

Bubblebee7 · 14/05/2020 01:28

COVID is so new. Your reasons for wanting to have the vaccine are different to somebody’s like mine. Everyone can change their mind at any given time. The information and direction that has been given so far has not got me jumping for joy. @letitgolego you can’t fault people for being wary.

Swipe left for the next trending thread