Will Devon & Cornwall be ok to go to in July?

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We are in a real dilemma.. We have to pay the balance on our holiday in the next couple of weeks which is about another £800 on top of the £400 deposit already paid.

We've gone for a self catering holiday flat on the Devon / Cornwall border for last week of June /
first week in July.

Don't really want to go if the touristy places we'd usually go to aren't open but our holiday company are only offering a reschedule so will lose our money if we cancel. We have a family wedding next year (hopefully) so we don't want to rebook.

We were pretty sure we'd still be in lockdown and be able to get a refund but now that the new rules are in place, I don't know if we are or aren't allowed to go.

AIBU to think we should be able to get our deposit back?

I think because we've had very few cases.

The only thing in other countries that stops an increase in cases is lockdown.

Because London is through its peak the government in its infinite wisdom has decided the rest of the country has to open up for them.

So we are bound to have a second wave.

Is Exeter airport open?
Newquay airport?
If yes, perhaps the expected peak will be caused by new arrivals. International arrivals could arrive via indirect flights, perhaps changing at Heathrow.
We have no checks, quarantine, or restrictions at UK airports.

Sorry I’m confused.

A few things are confusing me.

A wave and a peak are two different things. The SW has had a flatter pattern with no obvious peak. They aren’t waiting for a peak, They’ve just not had an obvious one. There’s no peak waiting to happen I don’t think?

Why are you ‘bound to’ have a second wave?

Also your statement about the government opening up because London had its peak.

Opening up for the rest of them. Who is ‘them?’

Because London is through its peak
London's on a marathon sprint towards its next wave and peak. The government certainly has it in for Londoners. 'Encouraging' people back to work on London's crowded tubes and buses, commuters coming in from other (currently more infected) parts of the UK, the many thousands arriving at Heathrow with no checks or quarantine. Yep. London's in for a bad time again.

We should've stayed in lockdown another two or three weeks. Using the time wisely. Sorting out PPE, masks, drugs, tests, and airport restrictions. Then it might've been realistic to think about UK holidays later in the summer.

Daffodil
I assume the poster is referring to the government when she says 'Them'? Or perhaps the very wealthy private island dwelling large business owners? Those who can afford to gamble with people's lives and livelihoods. From a safe distance with a large financial cushion. They don't risk themselves or their wallets in any second waves.

The poster certainly couldn't have been referring to those who will suffer the most (again): Londoners.

I think that’s just your opinion isn’t it?

I don’t live in London, it doesn’t look like that to me, tbh. It looks like a government trying to crank up the economy, just like every other country.

Do with think the Italian government has it in for those living in Rome? France those living in Paris?

Or is it just Britain and just London?

Italy and France have and continue to take measures to protect all of their population.

Like I said we're one of the only countries in the world that didn't implement some form of border restriction, checks or quarantine.

France and Italy both lockeddown more strictly than we did. They're reopening (slowly) with lower infection rates. I'm not sure about Italy but France has masks for public transport. France at its peak sent patients from overwhelmed hospitals to Germany for treatment. We didn't transfer patients from struggling London hospitals during our first peak. We just left them to die or only admitted them to hospital when survival was less likely. In London, because services couldn't cope, the threshold for hospital admittance was raised.

I said in January London would be worse affected. It can't be argued I was wrong. The sheer numbers of people there, the high density (often poor quality) housing, the crowded public transport, the thousands and thousands coming in with no checks. Londoners are sitting ducks for the next wave.

The economy will be disrupted worse by rushing to reopen without taking the precautionary measures other countries have taken. Our economy will as a result the longer to recover and that recovery will be more difficult. More haste less speed.

Whilst London will be the worse affected, our government's failure to take the relatively simple measures other counties have taken to lower the risk will hurt the rest of the UK too.

We should've used the past two months to sort things out but we didn't. So instead we should lockdown for another two to three weeks - and use that time to finally sort these things out. For the sake of the economy as much as avoiding many more needless deaths.

More PPE, drugs, masks, tests, border restrictions or checks. Other countries have managed it. Then we could more safely start to ease lockdown.

We're led by donkeys, basically.

I love donkeys.
I bet they'd do a better job.

I hope the Donkey Sanctuary is doing ok during this pandemic. Their HQ is in Devon.
When it's safe to visit Devon that's somewhere I'd recommend.

That is an insult to donkeys. How about a bit of an ass?

@ToffeeYoghurt but we have more tests , we are bringing in border control we are sourcing huge amounts of Ppe just as every other country in the world is still doing
We've stood dow lm for now our temporary hospitals

@ToffeeYoghurt you didn't need to be a scientist to know London was likely to be worst affected
Also what proof do you have that people were left to die to my knowledge no hospital went over capacity
Italy was overwhelmed at hospitals hence why the lockdown was all about protect the nhs so that we weren't overwhelmed

The evidence is, aside from first person accounts from HCP, the threshold for hospital admittance was temporarily raised in London. Which meant some patients died at home and others were only admitted at a stage survival was less likely. With Covid, as with anything, early treatment increases your chances.

The temporary hospital in London was unable to take in patients. Struggling hospitals there asked to transferred some but we're turned down because the nightingale lacked staff. Doesn't sound like coping to me.

It's very good news that we're finally sorting the PPE, tests, border control, etc. Better late than never. Once that's all sorted it would be safer to trial slow easing of lockdown. It's obviously not yet happened although it's been asked for. London's mayor, Sadiq Khan, is amongst those who've been calling for it.

My DH works in a busy major teaching hospital ITU. Coped very well, never needed to transfer anyone anywhere.

That's good to hear. I'm glad the problem didn't happen everywhere. It shouldn't have happened anywhere. Hopefully we're better prepared - including more timely treatment - for the likely second wave.

How likely is it, do you think? In terms of probability.

@ToffeeYoghurt again where are your sources for this ? Hospitals being overwhelmed and people left to die at home ? I'm pretty sure I heard one of the scientists say we coped ok in hospitals and non had to turn people away

I’m wanting figures for probability tbh. Because TY said it’s likely. So presumably more than 50% probability.

Curious to see sources/maths.

The evidence is people died at home.

It's not denied by anyone that the threshold for hospital admittance was raised (in London).

There were also first person reports from the frontline, HCPs, who spoke of how overwhelmed they were.

Some spokesperson can say lie what they want. It doesn't make it true. Well actually they're not quite lying. Yes the hospitals coped. Because they weren't admitting people..

It's common sense that early treatment for any illnesd increases survival chances.

*The evidence is people died at home.
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What is the source for this, to me it's you making up string of words, no evidence at all!

@ToffeeYoghurt if you want to be taken seriously, some back up info please!

Some spokesperson can say lie what they want. It doesn't make it true. Well actually they're not quite lying. Yes the hospitals coped. Because they weren't admitting people..

So can some random on the Internet say lie 🙄

Toffeeyoghurt
The Donkey Sanctuary closed to visitors very early on, well before most places did, in order to minimise the risk to their staff, so they could carry on looking after the residents. The donkeys all look very well on the films they have been putting up on facebook.
They have webcams on their website if you want to watch some donkeys :)