To think seeing family in their garden is safer?

[VodkaCranberry2]

So we can see one member of another household outside 2m apart... surrounded by other strangers 2m apart where we don’t know where they’ve been/who they’ve seen, but we can’t social distance in our family’s garden where we know they’ve been isolating/only going to the shops? Is this not ridiculous?

@DanceItOut, I hear you. Forgive me if you realise this but do you understand you can see your mum outside (sounds like ministers are saying not your home gardens) one to one from Wednesday but yes sadly no hugs as need to keep 2 metre distancing. Also if someone is a single parent I know it would be harder because who will look after the children.

@Orangeblossom78, I agree it’s not clear about gardens at all on the govt updated FAQ website and the 60 page document. An error in my view not to be clearer in the written documentation on this.

That is still confusing isn't it- about gardens, as not 'in their home' is it and also 'outside'

Yup. I’m choosing to interpret it as we are able to meet in my garden (outside) as that isn’t “in my home”. It is also, as I’ve said before, safer for us, my parents and everyone else for us to be there and not “in public”.

guylan, that is the guidance from the government. The law hasn’t changed tho. I think it’s important that people know EXACTLY what they can be fined for and which bits are “just” advice. Not so they can find loopholes, but because I think we need to be very wary of police over reach. Personally, I’m using the law as an absolute and trying to follow the guidelines as best as I can.

So the I’ve not had anyone in my house or garden for 2 months. But if I did I wouldn’t be breaking any laws.

This is very helpful:
insights.doughtystreet.co.uk/post/102g6tz/guide-to-coronavirus-offences-help-for-the-public-police-and-lawyers

If the government said you can meet as many people as you like in one go outside they are opening the door to mass gatherings / parties.

Well MN have made their own fantasy version of "the rules" up, but I believe the gist is you need to do it like the spies in really really shitty spy movies where you accidentally end up sitting at opposite ends of a park bench and pretend you don't know them at all and then face directly forwards without making eye contact and pass them the briefcase with the smuggled diplomatic documents.

Boris says we need to use our common sense.

Boris says we need to use our common sense.

He also just said he "hopes we'll achieve a virus"

as apposed to a vaccine.

Yeah a slip of the tongue. Let’s use common sense

So you couldn't take the kids out on a walk and meet (from a safe distance granny ) would have to be just me and granny? They just said it can be one person with one person from another household ? So only two people at one time?

The government don't know their arse from their elbow. I'm going to make plans to see my parents at the weekend.

magentastardust

Apparently not.

But yet you could stand behind her in a queue at Tescos with your kids...

@chewchewismyspiritanimal...parent ..or two separate visits ? Its not very clear.

Chew. Surely this is the sort of attitude that will increase the R number?.

2 people from my isolated household mixing with two people from another isolated household. Where's the risk?

So only two people at one time?

Yes. Because the law hasn’t changed. And the law bans gatherings of three or more people except in particular circumstances (eg all from the same household).

Surely this is the sort of attitude that will increase the R number?.

Chew could meet her dad at the park one day, and play tennis with her mum the next, and that would still be within the rules.

I could even go and sunbathe 2 metres away from twenty complete strangers in the park if i wanted to.

Thanks @OceanOrchid, useful info

@ChewChewIsMySpiritAnimal, I hear what you are saying. May I ask do you plan to see them inside their home or in the garden?

Of course a garden is the same but I think the point is it is unenforceable so best just to say no you can’t. At least at parks they can theoretically enforce it.

New guidance which comes into effect on Wednesday says that you can meet one other person outside of your household outside. This can be for sports such as golf or tennis , or simply to chat As Long As You Maintain 2 metre distancing.

You cannot meet with other people in their homes (obviously unless you are providing care or are working there)

What isn't clear is that it does not specifically mention gardens . It doesn't say you can or you can't.

I have had the view for a while that meeting someone within their garden is safe as long as you don't pass through their house to get there, take your own folding chair and drink and don't stay long enough to need the toilet.

They have a large garden so we could stay outside.

Just reiterated again on TV. You cannot meet in your garden, incase they need the loo!!

@titchy so it’s a serial one person then? Whereas later at a ore ‘free’ time it’ll be one household. It’s all so random.
@Genderwitched I do get the bigger picture concept, but it just seems hard and a bit...well like I said above, random.