To think seeing family in their garden is safer?

[VodkaCranberry2]

So we can see one member of another household outside 2m apart... surrounded by other strangers 2m apart where we don’t know where they’ve been/who they’ve seen, but we can’t social distance in our family’s garden where we know they’ve been isolating/only going to the shops? Is this not ridiculous?

Ha Op I'm a teacher too I really should know better!

I’m just looking at stage 2. This bit is totally impractical.
For example, the Government has asked SAGE to examine whether, when and how it can safely change the regulations to allow people to expand their household group to include one other household in the same exclusive group
So, ok, I live alone. This is great. I’ll pick my daughter. Hang on. She lives with her partner. This means he can’t see his family. My sister has 2 adult daughters. Are they seriously saying she has to pick one daughter and not see the other? Is it that they all hate their families or what?

Vodka only if you can both walk to the park. We can’t drive for exercise.

@GrimmsFairytales you any play tennis with them. Sport is only with people from your household

For example, the Government has asked SAGE to examine whether, when and how it can safely change the regulations to allow people to expand their household group to include one other household in the same exclusive group

That only works surely if none of you ever go out.

My household could theoretically share a bubble with my mum, but I’m a teacher and will apparently soon have to mix at close quarters daily with 300 children, parents and assorted colleagues. That would mean all of those people would effectively be in my mum’s bubble?!

@savehalloween I agree that over time the regulations are likely to pull closer together, although Rhondda Cynon Taff has a very high rate of infection just now so more cautious methods seem sensible. These powers are devolved though, so if they stay different, they stay different.

No, it's not that bit, cardibach. That's a separate bit thinking about expanding separate households to create slightly larger "bubbles". The bit here is just about meet ups between one person from one household and one person from another household, in public places, two metres apart.

This sums it up

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=ha2vyuQprnQ#menu

@cardibach, I was writing my post in response your saying that it was an example of folks stretching the rules. Which it is not.

By the time I posted, you had acknowledged that it was allowed. I.e. cross post.

This is actually a change in the guidance, and they appear to have changed it specifically so they did not need legislation change. The legislation from the beginning forbade “gatherings of more than 2 persons in a public place” unless members of a single household.

You are right that it is nonsense, of course. Because, for example, if you are out with your child, you technically still cannot meet your friend, because then you would be a “gathering” of 3 people... So if you are alone, you can meet one other alone person and exercise (or whatever) with them, as long as you are always two metres apart - except the metres bit isn’t in the legislation either... You just can’t “gather”...

Nor is the much touted change that you can go out more than once a day a real change (in England). In England you could ALWAYS go out as often as you liked and stay out as long as you wanted.

The police can only enforce guidance.

The government tells us to use “common sense” and then comes up with nonsense (IMO)

Absolutely Fedup. I’m a teacher too...
The smallest bit of critical thinking in almost any of these ideas reveals gaping holes in both logic and practicality.

@BiggestJulie I wasn’t being s illy, though I can see it could look like it...
I think we agree on the shit show this guidance is.

so at the same time as this they are increasing fines so you could get one of those for meeting parents in their garden?

Snippy not silly...

I know @JeanMichelBisquiat I was looking ahead at step 2 -I thought I’d made it clear. Sorry if it wasn’t.

Sorry, meant to say police can only enforce legislation, not guidance.

You can only exercise with up to one person from outside your household –this means you should not play team sports, except with members of your own household.

Gov advice states team sports, not all sports. Since tennis isn't a team sport then surely you can play against a person from outside your household.

If I've got this right... does this mean that I can't go in and visit my Mum in her house? But her cleaner can...

@VodkaCranberry2

They gave the example of your parents. If they live in a separate household you can see one at one time and one at another. Not both together even if you stand 2m from them or even if they stand 2m from each other. I have never understood why we may go out for exercise only once. On every trip out I have never been near any other person.

My feeling is that younger children are going to be the problem when they go back to school. How on earth will you stop them running to each other or staying 2m apart in class. The days of tying children to their chairs are thankfully past

Were people always this easily led?

He has literally just been on tv answering questions and clearly stated you CAN see one person outside your household if you practice social distancing

This.
Although I really can't see how people are going to keep their distance from family members - your family unit can meet up with one other person at a time who isn't in your family household - let's say MIL.
So you'd have to keep her at arms length as you and the kids walked with her?
How's that gonna work?!

@cardibach Vodka only if you can both walk to the park. We can’t drive for exercise
It was said this afternoon that we can drive irrespective of distance (just not to say Scotland or Wales and to stay in England as their rules different to ours.)

You probably had made it clear - suspect my usual skip reading at fault

I am going to be meeting members of one household in my garden where we won’t be putting each other or anyone else at risk!

I have taken shopping to my elderly parents and sat in their garden at a distance to check they are ok.

I have taken my own water incase I need a drink as it’s a hot day. I don’t enter their house or touch them. If I needed a loo break I’d pop behind a bush. They don’t live near a park, no idea where the nearest one would be 20miles away? Also they are surrounded by fields so no one will see me behind a bush. Hasn’t happened yet as I go before I go 😆

I really don’t understand what the distinction is between going out to the park (as a household) and sitting there 2m away from all the other households - which is fine according to the advice - and going out to the park as a household and sitting 2m away from another household, who you’re related to or friends with. Is the assumption that friends and families won’t stay in their household groups 2m apart but strangers will?

@Orangeblossom78, yeah, I think you could be fined for entering someone else’s property if you got caught. I haven’t got the legislation in front of me, but I think that would fall under being out of your house for other than one of the allowed specific purposes. You would probably have trouble arguing that you were aiding a vulnerable person if you were having a glass of wine in the garden.

But they would have to catch you! Even if one of the neighbours reported you, you prob would not get a fine. Police might visit and tell you not to do it again.