People who aren’t quite getting it...

[MadameBee]

I wouldn’t comment IRL and am not part of the Stasi post on FB with “reported to police” written in capitals which I am quietly finding quite amusing.

But a few people are posting are posting stuff on SM with “and before you judge me XYZ”

Friend who posted last weekend “having a bonfire this afternoon so just letting all my neighbours on here no so you can shut your windows” erm - you aren’t supposed to be having bonfires because of the risk of added pressure on the emergency services if something goes wrong, everyone is cooped up inside and it’s foul and some of those people might be shielding because of impaired lung capacity.

Photos of children on a bouncy castle in the back yard, “before you judge me there was no contact and the guy cleaned it all” yes but the point is it’s not exactly an essential fucking journey is it?!

And the people moaning about traffic on the roads - erm you were there too but your reason is “justified” because you are a key worker? “The park/beach was so crowded” so I came home - BUT YOU WERE THERE TOO!!!!

This thread is awful. This whole situation is hard and weird for everyone and we are supposed to be in it together - but evidently really, really are not.

My mum asked me the other day - if I was diagnosed with Covid tomorrow and was told to contact everyone I’d potentially passed it to in the last 2 weeks, would my conscience be clear. And yes, mine would but it seems many will sadly always interpret guidelines to suit their own needs, regardless of the impact on others.

@Easilyanxious it wasn't the occupation I was highlighting it was your use of the word 'emergency' which implies only essential or emergency work should be done. That's not the case, it's ANY work that cannot be done from home. The government cannot pay grants for everyone, they've already stated this and self employed people need to somehow survive if they do get a reasonable one until June.

The lockdown is over time going to cost more lives than covid19. The people who are pushing boundaries, making non-essential journeys, being seen on the streets and parks are the ones helping this country make to normality and should be applauded for doing so

The lockdown is over time going to cost more lives than covid19. The people who are pushing boundaries, making non-essential journeys, being seen on the streets and parks are the ones helping this country make to normality and should be applauded for doing so

They are certainly doing what the government wants despite the official message. Whether they should be applauded when they are going to cause a second peak is not clear.

this whole thread is madness.

let people do what they want - they are going to anyway and if you honestly think the government didnt expect quite a few not to follow the guidelines then you are very naive. not only did they expect it but apparently we are actually following it better than they thought we would.
all that, and the government still didnt impose a stricter more enforced lockdown so that has to tell you something. dont forget, initially this country was going for herd immunity.

as for wishing the virus on someone, that is incredibly petty - you clearly lost your temper and spoke without thinking but it's not going to help your point and it will be used against you now no matter what you try and say so is counterproductive.

so many on here are outraged but at some point in the future you're going to have to come to a decision yourself. are you going to stay in until a vaccine is available or are you going to assess the risk for yourself, as you presumably used to do in every day life anyway.

side note - this wasnt ever to stop individuals getting it, it was always to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. a lot of people, no matter how they like to dress it up, if they are being 100 percent honest are more worried of catching it themselves. this is unrealistic, this virus isnt going to be going anywhere. most of these threads are started by people who are scared, understandably to a point, but complaining about what everyone else is doing is not going to make the situation any better and just makes you look like a martyr

This sums up how I feel.

that's very poetic, granted, but none of the people in your OP had done anything wrong.

also, social distancing is going to be the norm going forward. whether it sits right with you or not, we cannot stay in lockdown forever - this isnt a competition on who can be the most miserable. use common sense and your own judgement against your life - it's not your business what others are doing

It is my business if I feel it’s putting others and the NHS at risk.

But I do understand that people are getting incredibly anxious about the economy and their own financial situation - I totally get that.

nothing you described in your OP is putting you at risk. I think you need to concentrate on your own anxiety surrounding the situation rather than projecting

I feel a bit like I am on a cruise ship where the captain had decided at every port so far that no one can get of as it's too dangerous. Fine. I will do that. But when the captain gets to the port where the balance has tipped, it's safer now off the boat, everyone has cabin fever, and we are very low on fuel, but when we are allowed off a lot of people don't want to get off. Well I am getting off! Adiós amegos!

I do that because I would never openly question the state of someone’s mental health.

That is gaslighting - you are saying what you say because you are in some way impaired.

You do know that you moving dangerously close to questioning the state of someone's mental health, by suggesting they are "someway impaired"

Omg - I was saying they were suggesting that I was in someway impaired

I negated you use “”

*to

@MadamEve Sorry should have read the thread before commenting but it a bit bloody OTT. There has to be some balance in life, getting this annoyed is not good for anyone's health, you can't fix it.

Regardless of whether OP mentioned things which are allowed, some of the responses have moved beyond that. No, the people pushing boundaries aren't helping the country back to normality. And no, people who want to reduce spread now are not necessarily plan to hide away until or unless a vaccine is found. Both those statements show a lack of understanding of the current govt plan and the scientific approach behind it.

This lockdown is, in theory at least, not just delaying an inevitable time when we return to exponential growth of the virus. It is meant to get us to a point where R and case numbers are low enough, and sufficient other measures in place, to enable us to gradually reopen while keeping R below one. People pushing boundaries in a way that increases spread of the virus now are simply delaying and limiting our options for reopening. They are and will be also making it more likely that when we do reopen, we end up with repeated lockdowns, squandering all the gains we have made and hugely damaging the economy.

I am hopeful that the numbers not complying are low enough not to derail the whole project but just to at worst delay and endanger it. So perhaps they will do limited harm beyond extending the lockdown period, and meaning we cannot reopen as much as we otherwise might have. They can piggy back on the effort of others, and least said soonest mended. But to pretend that these people are somehow helping is ridiculous.

I guess if you think that exponential growth is inevitable then you could argue otherwise but I think that would be a difficult argument. You'd have to be backed by serious scientific opinion and modelling, rather than a gut feeling. You'd also have to defend choosing the major economic damage and loss of life from all causes that exponential growth would mean, rather than trying to resume economic activity as much and as soon as possible while suppressing the virus.

In fairness if I was 90 and facing the prospect of months shut indoors and knowing I probably only had a few years left I'd think fuck it and go out. Why waste the last few years not seeing anyone or doing anything. A totally miserable existence.

Although, I do agree with pp that we should try to ignore what others are doing to a large extent. We don't know the individual circumstances or reasons people may have for their behaviour and even if it is unjustified we can't do anything about it.

A certain amount of pressure about what is socially acceptable helps to increase compliance, but for that we will have to rely on just a majority doing things a certain way. It isn't our place try and police other people. No one wants to see a situation where people are trying to impose rules that they have misunderstood on others, or where people who have valid reasons for behaving in a way that looks risky are targeted unfairly.

It's one thing to point out on a forum why you think someone is not taking the right approach, but another thing to interfere with and guess at real life motives. Although even on here, it can be easy to misunderstand and misjudge, and also possibly not getting any of us anywhere.

So I guess I should go away and mind my own

SudokuBook I’m afraid that a second peak is a natural consequence of a period of lockdown. There can be tinkering with how quickly that peak is reached, and how high it goes, depending on how the lockdown is eased, but there was always going to be a second peak once the decision to lockdown was made.

In fairness if I was 90 and facing the prospect of months shut indoors and knowing I probably only had a few years left I'd think fuck it and go out. Why waste the last few years not seeing anyone or doing anything. A totally miserable existence. I agree what a way to end your life. Mind you my parents are 87 years old and aren't fit to leave the house, their quality of life is shockingly poor.

Thing is - you might take several others down with you

A second wave is inevitable. Far better to get that over with in the summer than at Christmas.

I think if I was nearing the end of my life and isolation was all I had to look forward to (to keep me alive for what) I'd just want to end it.

Of course it’s a bonus for the govt if the population decide to blame each other for causing a “second peak” rather than scrutinise govt decisions surrounding the epidemic. Makes things much easier for politicians