Will black lives ever matter?

[RockLock]

So another killing of a black man Ahmaud Arbery by 2 white men (Father and son) in US. They nearly got away with it calling it a citizen arrest and self defence. Father was a retired policeman.

They followed him, armed with guns and shot him.

Prosecutors tried to cover it up until the video emerged.
Ahmaud’s crime? He was going for a jog.

Will black lives ever matter?

[PlanDeRaccordement]

OgoPogo,
Yes I do agree the statistics are not error free. For example, they used to in the US report Hispanics and whites as all whites. This then made the difference between treatment of blacks and whites look a lot smaller than it really was. Similarly, all mixed race were recorded as blacks so, again, that narrowed the gap.
I agree that statistics should always be viewed with critical thoughts about the biases in who is collecting them and how they sift the data.

[Namechangervaver]

Whites killed by blacks 81% yeah, ok 🙄

[LuaDipa]

The murder of this poor man is horrifying. And it is most definitely murder, whatever their so-called reasons. There could be no possible justification for their actions. Or for those of a police force who saw fit to just accept that a man was hunted down and killed while doing absolutely nothing wrong. I sincerely hope that justice is now done, even after this unacceptable delay.

[TwelveMonkeys]

Does the "Black Lives Matter" movement only seek to address white on black crime? Genuine question.

[Theeighthelephant]

@RainMustFall @radiantrose

Americanfreepress is a far right white supremacist newspaper. What the fuck is wrong with you?

[PlanDeRaccordement]

The stats say 24 hate crime murders in the US in 2018; hardly the thousands you are asserting here without proof.

Oh dear Kitty. Look into the FBI hate crime reporting process. Their statistics only reflect the data from the 30 States that have hate crime laws AND require the filing of reports of hate crimes to the FBI at the federal level. 20 states and all the territories either don’t have hate crime laws or have them, but don’t report them to the FBI. If you look at the map, it’s very obvious that the Deep South states where hate crimes against black people are most prevalent are states that don’t report hate crimes to the FBI.

This includes Georgia, where Ahmaud lost his life in what was clearly a hate crime murder. But because Georgia does not have hate crime laws, this murder will never ever be counted in the FBI statistics.

The real number is a lot higher than the FBI number.

www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/laws-and-policies

[PrincessConsueIaBananaHammock]

Again ?

[OgoPogo8]

@Theeighthelephant

I'm hoping mumsnet delete the posts by @RainMustFalland @radiantrose.

Again for anyone that missed it, the 'statistics' provided by those two posters are false, white-supremacist propaganda.

[Xenia]

I am sure 100% of people on this thread will of course agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty in court under English and US law of course however.

The sooner however that the US ensures fewer people carry guns the better. They just lead to far too much violence.

[HebeMumsnet]

Us again, we're afraid.

We're still getting a lot of reports on this thread and to be honest, we can see why.

Of course all lives matter, but in the context of the horrible news story this thread was about, we do think that pointing out that white people get murdered too begins to sound a bit like the 'when is International Men's Day?' posts we occasionally get on International Women's Day, so we can see why that's caused offence.

At the centre of the thread is a young victim and some serious and understandable concerns about the way the black community is treated, in the US, but also globally. Could we ask that perhaps everyone tries to stick to answering the original post of this thread? We're keen to get it back on track and if we have to make lots more deletions we'll end up having to zap the whole thing, which feels pretty unfair on the OP.

Thanks.

[OgoPogo8]

I am sure 100% of people on this thread will of course agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty in court under English and US law of course however.
Depressing to see posts like this pop up when someone is shot to death on camera.

[mbosnz]

The sooner however that the US ensures fewer people carry guns the better. They just lead to far too much violence.

Yeah, not gonna happen. Guns plus unchecked racism. both institutional and otherwise, not a good combo.

[TwelveMonkeys]

pointing out that white people get murdered too begins to sound a bit like the 'when is International Men's Day?' posts we occasionally get on International Women's Day

Don't forget "When is white history month??"

[LetsGoFlyAKiteee]

It's not just the crime that the problem it's the police response after. It seems likely if this video wasnt aired it wouldve gone no further.. and hopefully the outcome of the trial be the right one!

[Tunnocks34]

Sorry people are delusion if they think this would have happened if the man was white. It wouldn’t.

Also, can you imagine the outrage if it had been two black men shooting a white jogger? It wouldn’t have been prosecuted as murder IMMEDIATELY.

Britain has serious problems with racism too - I speak from experience of being called a paki, terrorist blah blah. But I thank GOD I don’t live in America where racism is practically part of the fucking way of life. Must be absolutely terrifying to be black there

[Tunnocks34]

Would have been*

[Xenia]

Ogo, I am sorry you feel like that. In England websites don't even allow comments on active court cases which are sub judice as how things are shown in court when the full evidence if available is so important. We don't have mob rule in the US or UK and waiting to see what the jury decides is often very wise. I hope that is not a controversial comment.

[FlaskMaster]

I'm really shocked at the racism and willful ignorance on here. I can't believe all the "all lives matter", "white people get killed too", "I won't have an opinion on this until I see evidence the black guy was guilty of something", "black people kill black people too". What the fuck is wrong with you all?
It's VE day today. We defeated Nazism 75 years ago. We saw what racism did, and how far it could go if ordinary people didn't challenge it, made excuses for it or pretended they couldn't see how bad it was. This was the wake up call we all needed to get our heads out of the sand about it, end it and to cherish every human life. But some people are still willingly in complete denial and happy to try to justify it, or refuse to see that it's even happening.

[LetsGoFlyAKiteee]

The man who filmed it has been identified and being investigated

[mbosnz]

This thread is about two white men, taking it upon themselves to create a situation in which they (the evidence is incontrovertible) shot a black man. So how many black people killing how many black people is not exactly pertinent. Unless you're arguing 'well, they kill each other all the time, so if a white person takes one out every so often, that's not so bad'. I'm sure you're not saying that. Right?

[mbosnz]

Sorry, that was in response to hollybon2.

[FlaskMaster]

Does the "Black Lives Matter" movement only seek to address white on black crime? Genuine question
Genuine my arse, wtf is wrong with you? Black lives matter isn't about white crime. It's not about you. You are not the victim because you feel targeted by wording indicating that black people are the victims when they get killed for being black. It seeks to address the complete disregard for the value of human life that is so disproportionately experienced by black people. Black people are getting killed for being black. That's what it's addressing, is that ok with you?

[GoddessOfGettingThereInTheEnd]

I can't believe the way this thread started off either. I'm white but fgs, do some people just want to ARGUE FOR THE SAKE OF IT