Stay at home, protect the nhs, save lives

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AIBU to find this slogan annoying especially how it seems to prioritise protecting an organisation. The ‘save lives’ bit seems almost secondary to protecting the NHS. It is also dangerous and probably contributes to people avoiding going for treatment when they should be and thus leading the increase in deaths from other causes.

We shouldn’t be ‘protecting the NHS’ as though it is something sacred. It should be ‘Stay at home, save lives, don’t spread Covid’

Also Doctors were told that they didn't have to try resuscitation if they didn't have PPE. It was picked up on briefly and then disappeared.

They were scared of the public becoming too informed about what was the real causes of death.

fromlittleacorns It's difficult to know isn't it and it will be interesting to see how the government approaches future peaks with regards to continuing with screening services etc.

Am absolutely how such a simple slogan can be so badly misinterpreted! The PP above who expanded it explained it the most clearly. Protecting the NHS isn't about protecting an institution at the cost of lives FFS. We protect it so it CAN treat people with covid. Stay at home in order not to deluge the NHS and by doing that you will help to save lives. If you wander around spreading the virus, the NHS runs out of beds and not only can it not treat Covid it can't treat anything else either meaning people die. My word mumsnet is crackers sometimes

@Ponoka7

People have died at home because ambulances have refused to take them to hospital.
I didn't see any paramedics breaking the news to the public that the score used had been put up to a dangerous level.
Nurses have died at home and in the Nurse accommodation after being refused hospital admission and oxygen support.

Can you provide links/sources to these, especially nurses dying at home and in nurse accommodation because they’d been denied treatment?

Of course she can’t. It’s just more making it up as you go along.

@BovaryX - I absolutely agree with you. The NHS is not fit for purpose; the pandemic has highlighted quite how dysfunctional it has become.

Cancer treatments aren't happening, routine operations have all been cancelled, people dying with Covid are turned away from hospital because they're not apparently sufficiently ill (so they then go on to die at home).

The NHS hasn't been fit for purpose for decades. Almost all of Europe have far superior health systems. France, Germany, Switzerland - all excellent. Yet again, the NHS is revered in an almost saintly manner, during the crisis, when the entire system needs radical reform.

The government's slogans are simplistic, patronising and frankly shameful. People have to die at home so that the NHS isn't overwhelmed? Never mind if you have cancer, heart disease, stroke. Suffer in silence so that the NHS isn't overwhelmed.

The NHS is not fit for purpose; the pandemic has highlighted quite how dysfunctional it has become

Allow me to correct that for you:

The government, particularly the Department for Health, is not fit for purpose; the pandemic has highlighted quite how dysfunctional it has become.

I have to agree with Alsohuman. The government is struggling. I feel for Matt Hancock on a human level, but alas, the cabinet was chosen for its members’ loyalty to BJ and Brexit, not for their skills and experience. It’s sad, but not surprising, that this pandemic is being handled badly. (I still don’t think there’s anything wrong with the slogan though.)

I find these slogans that Boris and his cronies come up with to be very tedious, the Brexit ones were just as bad - he thinks the whole country are idiots!

Boris saw how well using the NHS in a slogan worked for Brexit

So when he really wanted people to comply with lockdown, he chose an NHS slogan again

Some Tories have described the NHS as "the British religion" that they dare not criticise
So they have learned to use it for whtever they want

The next slogan may be "Go to work. Fund the NHS"

*The next slogan may be "Go to work. Fund the NHS(

Go to work, spend money, fund the NHS?

From March 10th to April 12th, the instructions given to paramedics, ambulance crews meant patients struggling to breathe and deteriorating were not admitted to hospital. That guidance was in place for one month. Are you unaware of this?

the NHS in London has altered its official guidance to lower the threshold at which paramedics take suspected coronavirus patients to hospital. London Ambulance Service (LAS) has changed how it uses a scorecard called News2, which helps assess whether callers to 999 are at risk of deteriorating. The disclosure is likely to prompt questions over whether some Covid-19 patients became seriously unwell or died because they were not taken to hospital before the guidance changed

Yes i think the ‘spend money’ bit may a bigger problem than people realise. Some People at least may be going to be very cautious about spending, given that many will have lost income, and the future suddenly seems more precarious economically.

Frugality may be back in fashion even for those who still have disposable income.

The above post was @frumpety

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/take-more-coronavirus-patients-to-hospital-paramedics-told-jks756c63

The NHS hasn't been fit for purpose for decades. Almost all of Europe have far superior health systems. France, Germany, Switzerland - all excellent. Yet again, the NHS is revered in an almost saintly manner, during the crisis, when the entire system needs radical reform

@FreckledLeopard
It doesn't matter how lethal, how incompetent, how many scandals and deaths and reports which indict its institutional culture. Those who benefit from this dysfunctional status quo will soon be along to defend the indefensible and deny health care is far superior in most of the developed world. Die at home. Protect the NHS. The fact that the slogan itself highlights the twisted priorities? It's beyond parody.

@Alsohuman - please don't patronise me. I have no love for this government and its handling of the pandemic. However, it is wholly naive to place all the blame for the NHS's problems on a lack of funding or the Department for Health.

The NHS, as a model, does not work. The mismanagement across the spectrum, the amount of waste, the millions (billions) squandered - these are all things that need to be dealt with head on. But no-one is brave enough to tackle the issue, since the NHS is like some mythical unicorn to so many people.

I have no issue having to pay for healthcare and have it reimbursed through insurance. I do not want a US-style model, which is abhorrant, but the choice is not between the NHS and the American model. Why can't we be like Australia - Medicare for all, and then have your healthcare topped up using private insurers, to enable people to access brilliant care, with no waiting?

Our statistic in this country are not great for things like cancer survival rates. There is much better healthcare out there, with different ways of it being delivered. The pandemic has highlighted how inefficient the NHS is as a model to provide healthcare for the UK. I just wish a government would be brave enough to bring in some sensible reforms to the entire system.

@NaturalBornWoman

From March 10th to April 12th, paramedics were instructed that even patients scoring 6 on the scale used to assess whether hospitalization was required need not be admitted. I suggest you read The Times article I have linked. That guidance was in place for one month.

the NHS in London has altered its official guidance to lower the threshold at which paramedics take suspected coronavirus patients to hospital. London Ambulance Service (LAS) has changed how it uses a scorecard called News2, which helps assess whether callers to 999 are at risk of deteriorating. The disclosure is likely to prompt questions over whether some Covid-19 patients became seriously unwell or died because they were not taken to hospital before the guidance changed

Hardly patient centred is it?

The government's slogans are simplistic, patronising and frankly shameful. People have to die at home so that the NHS isn't overwhelmed? Never mind if you have cancer, heart disease, stroke. Suffer in silence so that the NHS isn't overwhelmed.

This 100% was not the message. The Stay at Home message was for healthy people to reduce the amount of people on the streets and reduce the spread of the virus FFS. The government has specifically vocalised concerns that people are avoiding A&E and have said to seek medical help for non covid symptoms as normal

&The government, particularly the Department for Health, is not fit for purpose; the pandemic has highlighted quite how dysfunctional it has become*

The how do you explain the problems in Scotland too where health has been devolved for decades

The UK has some of the worst cancer survival rates in the developed world. That was before the cancellation of cancer treatment and diagnoses in the wake of Covid. As I linked earlier, an oncologist is already warning that 60,000 could die as a consequence.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/uk-cancer-survival-rates-bottom-world-league-table-a9101916.html

please don't patronise me. I have no love for this government and its handling of the pandemic. However, it is wholly naive to place all the blame for the NHS's problems on a lack of funding or the Department for Health

Tell you what, if I don’t patronise you (I didn’t), perhaps you could return the favour. I’m not naive.

Who directs the NHS? Some aspects of its performance are appalling and this pandemic has shone a light on the worst elements - PHE and the procurement arm are particularly culpable.

It’s not the funding model that needs to change, it’s the bureaucracy, refusal to accept and learn from best practice in industry and utter lack of common sense. It needs reforming for sure - reversing the Lansley changes would be a good start. Any change in the funding model would lead to two tier health care and I’m never going to support that.

@BovaryX I’m interested in the evidence of people dying at home as a result of being refused hospital admission, especially nurses who have died at home or in nurses accommodation since this is what has been alleged.

naturalbornwoman - here's some evidence:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8220251/Husband-Filipino-nurse-50-died-coronavirus-says-ambulance-crew-refused-her.html

Yep I’ve thought this from the start. Protect people too!!