Stay at home, protect the nhs, save lives

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AIBU to find this slogan annoying especially how it seems to prioritise protecting an organisation. The ‘save lives’ bit seems almost secondary to protecting the NHS. It is also dangerous and probably contributes to people avoiding going for treatment when they should be and thus leading the increase in deaths from other causes.

We shouldn’t be ‘protecting the NHS’ as though it is something sacred. It should be ‘Stay at home, save lives, don’t spread Covid’

Oh well, bloody disgrace that people actually listened to the government and generally cooperated. You would have been spitting feathers if the hospitals were overwhelmed and yapping that the NHS weren’t prepared. I can’t believe people are actually complaining that the NHS took unprecedented precautions, because of what they saw happening in other countries. But sure, don’t worry, you ought get your wish yet! 🙄

*you might get your wish.,

It's not the message that's got people scared to go to hospital. Especially considering our government message has been confused and changing. Remember them telling people it was safe to attend large gatherings, travel on crowded public transport, and shake Covid patients hands?

No. It's not the government's message. It's because (most) people have brains. They understand the very simple concept of contagion. We have a deadly highly infectious disease on the loose.

@ToffeeYoghurt so you’re saying people are right to be afraid to go to A&E? Even when they need it, life or death situation?

Did you miss my earlier post?

I advised people to go for urgent issues. The benefits outweigh the risks. All the HCP will be doing absolutely everything possible to keep things separate and as safe as possible.

It's also very likely safer now than when lockdown ends.

They doesn't mean it's not understandable that people are scared to go for fear of catching Covid.

False reassurance insults people's intelligence.

I should say it's less a case of false reassurance. The A&Es are being kept strictly separate and precautions are being carefully adhered to.

More that it's insulting people's intelligence to dismiss valid concerns.

I hate it.
The NHS shouldn't need protection they should have it already.
The sad thing is they need us to keep well so they don't become overloaded and their deaths aren't so high.
Oh it gets my goat 😠

I agree OP. A more accurate slogon would be
'Stay at home, protect the government's reputation, die at home quietly'

This government are a government of slogans:

"Get Brexit done"
"Levelling up"
"Stay home, protect the NHS, save lives"

I'm sure they will trot out yet another one on Sunday and then endlessly use it at their daily sermons from No. 10.

I think it's exceptionally effective. Protecting the NHS is what saves the lives.

Some folk will moan about anything.

I am not a huge fan.

But by protecting the NHS, it will save lives.

Although lives are being lost because everything else the nhs does is vastly reduced.

Its honestly not easy. If the NHS has been overwhelmed, people die. We concentrate only on covid, people die. We start trying to balance covid with other medical treatment, people die.

But if the NHS collapses, tons of people die.

This government are a government of slogans:

Every UK government has been.

I reiterate the NHS needs protection for sure. They are indeed wonderful people.
But then we always knew that didn't we?
Seems like a new phenomenon to some.
Ahem.

@Peggysgettingcrazy

That's true to be honest "Brexit means Brexit" was Mrs Mays favourite. This one seems to bang them out with monotonous regularity though. Probably just my perception, as up to this point I have watched the news more.

Would you rather people didn't stay home to save the NHS? Lockdown was to stop it being overloaded. The slogan was simple to encourage staying home. It worked in the main part. Simple. Many more people would have died or got sick, ournumbers are awful already.

It's not over. NHS struggles massively every winter but no one really batters an eyelid apart from complaining. Add Covid to that and it scares me to be honest. Of course it could settle and not peak again like it has.who knows.

Yes there's been problems, my hospital were amazing at preparing, urgent ops for cancer and other illness have gone on in other places where possible. Yes it's not perfect reviews will be needed, but I know behind the scenes plans are afoot to get things running ASAP but safely! Big campaigns have been running for weeks to encourage people to come in to A&E if sick.

Waiting for the blacklash now after the clapping....

The slogan would have been ok. IF it has been combined with proper advice and help on what to.do if you need medical help and if the policy has been to provide people with help at home. A better policy than building the nightingale would have been to provide portable CPAP or portable oxygen for people to use at home . Ambulance could carry them and leave them with people who they thought weren't bad enough for hospital but who needed oxygen instead of leaving them to die at home gasping for breath.
Pulsometers could have been suggested,/ provided

People.could have been taken into hospital and not told to wait.until their lips were blue before being admitted

I completely understand the logo but it annoys me too because it failed to go alongside providing appropriate care for people

I actually don't like the 'Save lives' bit. It implies that saving lives is the main or even only priority over things like education, economic depression, any other aspirations in life.

Over 30000 dead as of yesterday. I’ve noticed ministers using the fact that the nhs hasn’t been overwhelmed as evidence of their strategy having been a success. Totally glossing over the death numbers. A very close family member died from Covid, well before their time so I feel very angry about it all.

The only thing which annoyed me with the slogan is the phrase "Stay Home". It isn't Stay Home, it should be stay AT home.
At least the new slogan, Stay Safe, is correct....

AIBU to find this slogan annoying especially how it seems to prioritise protecting an organisation. The ‘save lives’ bit seems almost secondary to protecting the NHS. It is also dangerous and probably contributes to people avoiding going for treatment when they should be and thus leading the increase in deaths from other causes

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Absolutely agree. This slogan is an explicit example of the perverse, inverted relationship between the healthcare system and the patient. On a recent thread, there was a discussion about different slogans in different countries. Stay safe was a recurrent, ubiquitous theme. Nowhere except the UK has 'protect X health care.' Treatments have been cancelled. A&E doctors were on Sky asking patients to attend. Instead, people who are seriously ill don't want to 'bother' the NHS. You know the adage of the frog in the boiling pot? I don't understand why people in the UK put up with this BS. This is not happening in the rest of the developed world. Cancer treatments are not cancelled. Blood tests still happen. The slogan is a window into a world of dysfunction.

I'm speculating here, but isn't it likely that lockdown will not have just reduced the spread of covid but will have reduced the spread of a million other diseases as well?
Also, I guess there will be a reduction in sporting/exercise injuries, car injuries, workplace injuries.....
Overall it's maybe not that surprising that stories are emerging of empty wards, below capacity units and so on. There are simply less ill people all round.

I do feel the government has protected the nhs at the expense of lives. Of course the hospitals could not be overwhelmed but the numbers in hospitals appear very low ( the goverment seems to brag about this ) and the deaths in hospital are high.

I believe @ disquieted that yes some accidents and deaths have been reduced ( car etc) but i think overall the excess deaths at this time is forecast to be very high ( so covid, and other deaths). This will give a true measure of the situation.)

I disagree and also think you’ve misinterpreted it. I think the slogan is helpful and quite powerful in the order it’s written in. The ‘protect the nhs’ bit is about making sure hospitals don’t get so overwhelmed that they can’t be effective and the ‘stay at home’ is about flattening their curve. I know there have been some errors of judgment by our government but I actually think this slogan is good.

I found the 'download the app, protect the NHS and save lives' line earlier this week a bit shit to be honest. They must think we're all idiots.

This Sunday the message will start to change anway to 'Go out, support your local businesses and save the economy.' The stay home line is going to start to be retired.