To think easing lockdown on Monday is allowing a second peak to happen?

[Gawdsake2020]

Exactly that really. Still 4,000 odd infections a day, 600 deaths a day and there easing up on Monday.

If it starts killing loads of children once everything is lifted then I’m sure people will start calling it ‘murder’

Where is the evidence that this is going to happen please?

What about all the deaths caused by people insisting lockdown should go on indefinitely? The cancer screening and treatment that's not happening, the deaths caused by the poverty that will follow, the suicides as a result of the lockdown/business failures. Are they murder too?

In a thread the other day someone was interpreting the extra deaths not officially attributed to COVID as part of the cost of the lockdown. I would have thought it more likely they are extra COVID deaths among people who haven't been tested.

I noticed in the FT that of 16 countries where they try to measure how many more people than usual are dying, there are three where there are no excess deaths, and in one of those, South Africa, the death-rate is below usual. Presumably there are almost no COVID deaths in South Africa, and the lockdown is preventing deaths due to fewer accidents, less crime, etc.

If the lock-down in a much poorer country without the kind of healthcare or social security we have is a net saver of lives from non-COVID causes, it seems unlikely it will be a huge net taker of lives here.

We need to get people back in work IMO

If you’re lucky enough to be able to stay home, with no current income, indefinitely I don’t think you’re entitled to an opinion to be honest

Are you really suggesting that a full lockdown stays in place until we have a vaccine? How will that be funded? What if a vaccine never comes?

Even with a vaccine the disease may still be in circulation, just at a lower level, and people will unfortunately die.

So the government are murderers unless we never leave our houses ever again, it seems.

Just remember that you don't HAVE to go out. You're not going to be forced into shops or meeting up with people.

If you want to continue to lockdown, carry on.

This matters too

Do the children killed by lockdown not count @RedAzalea?

At some point the needs of the economy needs to be taken in to account. Poverty & limited life choices also have an impact on health, all be it longer term. The needs of children & vulnerable adults living in lock down, where they could be at risk also need to be considered.

Children who are already below expected at school will be falling further behind, this in turn will impact on their future outcomes, including health.

The country can't stay in lock down indefinitely. At some point some restrictions will need to be lifted, carefully.

Murder is a bit far fetched. I don’t feel comfortable with lifting lockdown due to the numbers right now, I will be staying in for a while yet while a second peak looms and hits.
So many haven’t followed lockdown, people will just take the piss again. Give them a inch, they’ll take a mile.

@RedAzalea except that's not going to happen.

Is it midgebabe? My smear was cancelled

What'll be announced is the one hour exercise being extended to two hours. Big **ing deal. I know exercise is good but we're not all mountain bikers and 3-mile runners. I should think what most people want is to be able to see their friends and family.

If you’re lucky enough to be able to stay home, with no current income, indefinitely I don’t think you’re entitled to an opinion to be honest

I don't think that's fair, but I think there needs to be a balancing of interests. And remember that even the economically inactive are reliant on public services which are funded via taxation from economic activity

There is no one hour exercise rule...

@Gawdsake2020

Sorry, no I haven't seen how many have underlying health conditions or serious health conditions but there will be a large portion.

My point is really that healthy under 40's need not be so fearful. The virus is horrible and in my rural area the deaths have all been elderly in care homes. We are lucky to have a very small number of deaths. Lots of people report having symptoms but few hospital admittance and clear up at home.

We need to shield those that need it but some people have really gone over the top with this and happy to have people with no jobs/no money potentially no food for a very low risk for the vast majority of the population

Ahh @JoeExoticsEyebrowRing did you miss my ‘if’ ?

I also think that the government should be clearer on the purpose of lockdown in the first place. Its not to protect us all from the virus indefinitely. That is literally impossible.

If people think that every Covid related death from here on out is 'murder' then they don't really have an understanding of what that word means.

But if SO MANY people haven’t followed lockdown and haven’t dropped dead in the street like is suggested, what is so bad about relaxing lockdown rules ?

Ahh @JoeExoticsEyebrowRing did you miss my ‘if’ ?

So what is your point then? How is a situation which has not happened and which there is no evidence will happen in any way relevant?

Lockdown needs to end. The virus isn't going anywhere and it is still going to be there if lockdown ends in 2 weeks or 12 weeks.

Easing won't involve increasing exercise to two hours because there is currently no limit on how long you can exercise for, it can be all day long if you like.

Presumably, in order to shield the most vulnerable, those of us that aren't vulnerable should be going out / going to work / paying taxes / spending etc? That gives those who need to stay at home, the ability to do so whether it's through people shopping for them or through economic support from the government.

@romatheroamer
Which one hour exercise rule is this?

It's probably for another thread RandomLondoner but I think where we're seeing less developed countries with lower death rates it's because of the age of the population. For example, the median age in South Africa is 27, in UK it's 40 (from Wikipedia ) . As PP said we've seen very few deaths here, under the age of 40.