Rishi Sunak no more bailouts

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He said government cannot go on like this...

Lucky and Name thank you.

Universal credit is a bizarre misnomer.

Indeed Rhodri. It’s seems ridiculous that the richest companies can furlough there staff and ask the tax payer to kick up the bill.
Because it saves them paying it themselves. From a business perspective why wouldn’t you take advantage of it?

I think the super rich are going to have to trickle back down some of their money to keep the world economy going

They already do, since the top 1% already pay 30% of tax receipts - something which certainly won't be lessened

I think a lot of companies panicked.Understandable, but they were in an impossible situation at first. Then Richi said ' it'll be ok ' so who could blame them?
Wrongly or rightly they did what was suggested! Now the supermarkets led the way with how to do it! Supermarket workers are hero's and heroines as they had to carry on regardless!
It's now time to lift some restrictions I suppose but it's got to be done safely and with proper measures in place.
I have faith that the economy will bounce back but it'll take a long time.

I can’t believe all the hand wringing on this thread. Being deprived of work and income at no notice is what people working in the gig economy face all the time. Welcome to their world. (Quote)

What a ridiculous statement. People who work in the gig economy should accept that this type of work isn’t that secure.
If people work for a company and have a contract, they generally wouldn’t expect to lose their job with little notice.

I think the super rich are going to have to trickle back down some of their money to keep the world economy going

This ill informed partisan rhetoric is going to become common over the next few months.

They already do, hence why they create jobs and also the top 1% pay ~30% of tax receipts.

You can try and claim that in a globalised economy you can just squeeze them even more and they won't move, but France and plenty of other countries are your example of how this theory doesn't work.

People who work in the gig economy don’t have any choice. Does anyone seriously think anyone decides it’s a great career option to have no job security? The next few months are going to be a massive wake up call for a lot of people.

Well what did he think was going to happen?!

I preferred Rishi Bottomless Pockets

When people signed up for furlough, they agreed to different pay and conditions, does this have an impact on what their contracts will be when they go back?

historically there has been little investment in training procurement staff

Yes, and it's worth looking at why this might be
I used to deliver training, and even though it was statutory, getting public sector managers to schedule it was almost impossible - and that's if they hadn't already squandered the budget on something else, like the manager who used it to take afew colleagues on a "fact finding mission" ... in a sunny foreign fleshpot ... in January

He was probably one of those in charge of getting "central agreement" too, except that like so many he simply wasn't there often enough to do it

What a miserable thread. I am furloughed. It was not my choice. I am however glad of it because I cannot work as I have no childcare now. I would much rather be working and continue to be paying for nursery as I was before.

As for wah wah why are teenagers getting paid wah wah. Why the fuck shouldn't they. They work the same jobs as people who have bills. Why is it fair to pay some people you deem worthy but not others?

Alsohuman, regarding gig economy- that’s different to working for a large employer with employment rights and a work contract. My point is, people on zero hour contracts know the lack of security, whether it’s their choice or not.

@ Trust I agree regardless of your age you deserve furlough if you are eligible. Not to mention some teenagers do not have good circumstances e.g. kicked out from their home, in care or they may be a sole earner cause their parent can't work.

Indeed Rhodri. It’s seems ridiculous that the richest companies can furlough there staff and ask the tax payer to kick up the bill
Someone earning £50k will lose about £500 per month on furlough. They’ll gain some of that back by not paying for travel, fuel, parking, coffee, etc. Lots of people are happy to be worse off by perhaps £300 for a cushy month-long holiday. No wonder people are asking to be furloughed. It should be undesirable - a lifeline - not something that people actively want.

I know it used to be different @JediJim, the point I’m making is that it quite possibly won’t be different in the future. If employers can’t pay salaries at any point, the government has no legal obligation to pay anything except universal credit. As I said, I think a lot of people have a shock coming.

Some People did see this crisis coming but were so blinded by brexit etc etc it was on the back burner for too long and here we are where we are now. It's a pain but what to do?
Most people don't want to rely on ' hand outs' but what is the choice here? Millions of homeless in the streets? At least our government have tried to keep people s businesses afloat. It's not perfect and some will ' take the piss' but what else could they do? Not a Tory at all but regards furlough etc I think they did their best. It's just sad that some will not benefit and fall through the cracks.

I think the super rich are going to have to trickle back down some of their money to keep the world economy going

This ill informed partisan rhetoric is going to become common over the next few months

its not ill informed, its correct, people are not gong to accept their incomes reducing whilst an elite see theirs increase

They already do, hence why they create jobs and also the top 1% pay ~30% of tax receipts

So what? they have seen their incomes soar over the last 2 decades, my ex footie manager nr neighbour recently bought 14 houses... for cash, he doesn't create jobs and he wouldn't even make uk's top 500 richest.
Globally, they won't leave the uk or anywhere else because every developed country is going to have super hi tax rates, just as they had the last time we borrowed so much.

People seem to be changing their mind like the wind.

I think it’s just a channel for the free flowing anxiety, looking for somewhere to go.

Wah, non essential business still open, greedy capitalist bastards only interested in making money.

Replaced a few weeks later by ...

Wah, furloughed workers still taking state money, do they expect to sit on their lazy entitled arses forever?

Logic isn’t the strong point.

Most people don't want to rely on ' hand outs' but what is the choice here? Millions of homeless in the streets? At least our government have tried to keep people s businesses afloat. It's not perfect and some will ' take the piss' but what else could they do?

This.

I’m also not a Tory, but in an unprecedented situation they protected a lot of jobs in the immediate aftermath.

I think the super rich are going to have to trickle back down some of their money to keep the world economy going

I fail to see how this is either ill informed or partisan. Tax havens are going to be hard to find with most of the world in the same boat.

That is the problem. My partner is a keyworker and therefore paying taxes whilst furlough scroungers sunbathe in their gardens at our expense on 80% plus of wages. Disgusting.

The choice is that you lot will be made redundant anyway - that's life.

Zero hours contracts are a matter of choice. What's your problem?

@Bluntness100 the government weren't really clear initially. That document has been updated a few times.