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Simon Dolan seeking judicial Review of government’s lockdown - AIBU to think he is a selfish pr**k?

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Userwhatevernumber · 02/05/2020 16:22

A multi-millionaire is taking the government to court to challenge the lockdown restrictions. He is seeking judicial review of the decision to enforce lockdown.

Fair enough if he wanted to use his own multi-millions to find this. But no, he is actually crowdfunding. He is seeking to raise £125,000 from the public. At a time when he himself has already acknowledged the suffering economy.

AIBU to think this is total selfishness and that he is just another white, rich privileged man thinking he can play the hero and save us all when all the while he is only out for himself?

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www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/law/2020/may/01/uk-government-faces-legal-challenge-coronavirus-lockdown-businessman-simon-dolan

www.crowdjustice.com/case/lockdownlegalchallenge/

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P999 · 03/05/2020 23:37

Presumably, yes. But i dont know how much time and money it will waste. And in the meantime this egomaniac is getting all this lovely attention.

ToffeeYoghurt · 03/05/2020 23:45

As @Rosspoldarkssaddle says.

@HeyDuggeesCakeBadge The problem is we have much better things to spend our precious tax revenue on than an expensive court case over following the advice of medical experts worldwide (and basic common sense).

Why is he only concerned about the UK government lockdown? It's happened worldwide. He lives in Monaco where it's been far stricter.

He doesn't live here, he's evaded tax, and he now wants to cost us more tax revenue? Breathtakingly shameless.

He's worth millions. What a shame he doesn't donate some of his riches to the causes he professes concern about. Domestic abuse charities, people who've lost their jobs, children who have lost their parents to this disease. Instead he wants to divert money away from them.

P999 · 04/05/2020 00:02

Why dont we start our own crowd funding page to dig around this man's dodgy tax history?

P999 · 04/05/2020 00:03

Chhh03. Did you say you know him?

ToffeeYoghurt · 04/05/2020 00:09

I suspect he's been careful. Tax avoidance rather than evasion. Legal, but not necessarily moral.

ToffeeYoghurt · 04/05/2020 00:15

I bet he didn't want everyone discussing his tax affairs though. Grin

P999 · 04/05/2020 00:17

I get the feeling he has been investigated a few times by HMRC. Unless I mis-read between the lines of Ch003's post. My ex BIL did 'tax avoidance' til HMRC successfully took him to a Tribunal and closed one of his dodgy schemes. It's tax avoidance til HMRC manages to nail you. Which is no mean feat as these people are slippery fucks.

ToffeeYoghurt · 04/05/2020 00:23

Really?
This could all backfire on him couldn't it. He's succeeded in bringing about a renewed attention on his tax affairs.

P999 · 04/05/2020 00:35

If he's anything like me ex BIL, he will think he's invinceable. And wont be remotely risk averse. My ex BIL is, essentially, a ruthless sociopath and gambler. Who hides his loot in complicated trusts in tax havens

GoatyGoatyMingeMinge · 04/05/2020 00:42

But i dont know how much time and money it will waste.

This is such a feeble excuse! The greatest intrusion into human rights in the UK since human rights were invented, the biggest bill for any peacetime project and in fact bigger than most wars. The government should certainly be prepared to demonstrate that it's acting legally, and the legal bill will be the tiniest drop in the huge ocean which this strategy is costing us. And if this case has so little merit, as widely agreed here, then it will be thrown out on the papers at the permission stage and the legal bill to the state will be less than the cost of lunch for Boris Johnson.

ToffeeYoghurt · 04/05/2020 00:50

How do we sue a virus Goaty?

Biggest intrusion? How dare they try to protect lives and the economy! Nasty government trying to reduce the spread of a deadly contagious disease.

Again I ask. Why is he so concerned about a country he doesn't live in or pay tax to? He resides in Monaco. Their lockdown is stricter than ours.

GoatyGoatyMingeMinge · 04/05/2020 00:54

Hi Toffee,

I'm guessing these are rhetorical questions, but it's getting hard to tell! In case your last question isn't, it's because he has assets in the UK.

P999 · 04/05/2020 01:07

He clearly has an agenda. Which am damn sure isn't our human rights. If he is doing this in our name, and trying to get our cash through his crowdfunding wheeze I'd like to know a bit more about him and what he's about.

ToffeeYoghurt · 04/05/2020 01:08

Why would they be rhetorical. He's complaining about his 'freedom'. His assets in the UK are irrelevant. His freedom (or not) will be impacted by the decisions taken by those in charge of Monaco. Not the UK.

GoatyGoatyMingeMinge · 04/05/2020 01:14

His assets in the UK are irrelevant.

This is wrong. Have a look at Protocol 1, Article 1.

P999 · 04/05/2020 01:34

Hi Goaty, I've just googled it. It's the right to protection of property. And is most definately a qualified right (I.e. except if enjoying your property is not in the public interest). Not sure I want to contribute to the crowd funding to help Simon enjoy his UK property rights. I think, tough tits Simon!

GoatyGoatyMingeMinge · 04/05/2020 01:39

Hi P999, yes it's qualified and can be interfered with subject to the proportionality test we discussed a bit earlier. That's what the arguments will be about if it gets to a full hearing. I'm pretty sure Simon can afford to fund it himself as you rightly say!

ToffeeYoghurt · 04/05/2020 01:46

I hope people are taking note of Goaty's posts. They're a good example of how nonsensical court cases can happen when there's money. 'Technicalities' and irrelevant issues that, despite their irrelevance, are brought up and so have to be defended. That's how court cases such as these become costly. And this one would be on the UK taxpayer. At a time when we particularly need our tax revenue.

GoatyGoatyMingeMinge · 04/05/2020 01:52

I hope people are taking note of Goaty's posts.

Thank you Toffee! Sadly they never do Grin

ToffeeYoghurt · 04/05/2020 02:10

You did well Goaty Smile

P999 · 04/05/2020 02:21

I want to leave a comment on his crowd funding page, but can only do it if i donate something. I think its technically possible for me to donate 1p. Am going to try. Any suggestions what comment or question to post? Anyone want to join me?

HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 04/05/2020 08:33

Toffee this will go to a government department that is already funded to respond to these type of requests so it will not take resources away, that's not how government funding works.

HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 04/05/2020 08:34

And if they have the answers then it will not go to a costly court case will it?

P999 · 04/05/2020 09:07

I worked for a regulator who was JDed. It sucked a huge amount of time and cash. They won. But its an enormous amount of work and cash

HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 04/05/2020 10:02

P999 the government will have a department to deal with these types of requests so funding and resource will already be there.

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