Healthy people why are you so scared of catching covid 19?

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Serious question. I’m interested in why healthy people with no underlying problems are so unhappy about starting to get back to normal. I’m not talking about shielded people who need to stay shielded. But everyone else.

Because I don't want to be a carrier and responsible for someone else's demise. And because Virus Loading is a thing. Because I've seen how the illness affects people who do survive.

@cantory and I am saying people take risks with their lives every day without thinking about it.

And you're still less likely to die from covid 19 even if in a vulnerable group than from many other diseases or accidents. It's irrational to be more scared of dying from covid 19 than anything else.

@Delatron So the international company Pfitz are lying when they say they will have a vaccine available by the end of the year?
And if yes please let us know how you know they are lying?

Alot of people on this thread are clueless. Just talking about those who die. The problem is also those who arrive in hospital and take it over capacity. Those who suffer long term health problems as a result of it. It's also fairly assinine to imagine that simply lifting restrictions will resolve the economic fall out. Unless the situation is controlled people won't just go back to milling around in crowded pubs spending money. They won't invest in the UK. They won't visit the UK from abroad and spend money.

@nuttynutjob

But that list is true of most viruses

Look at measles the statistics for that are also quite frightening hence why we vaccinate against this. www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/meas.html

I find the idea that this is somehow worse than all other viruses troubling. Because actually compared with some it isnt that bad. The problem lies the fact that it is new. You put any new virus out and it could kill of

blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-american-killed-by-asian-islanders-hoped-to-save-their-souls/

They won't invest in the UK. They won't visit the UK from abroad and spend money.

So, where will they go? It's pretty much a global issue.

I’m worried about my parents. My father would definitely be at risk.
The only way I’d feel comfortable with visiting them is if I knew I’d had it.
It’s that or I don’t visit them for two years until a vaccine is up and running ( and even then I’d worry about the side effects of a vaccine on my father).

I'm not scared of dying from it but I am not keen on getting it and feeling really bad. Flu is bad enough and if it's worse than that, no thanks.

Also agree with the people talking about not knowing the long-term effects, I don't want to have lung damage which then makes me susceptible to other things.

However, I do think it's a risk we have to take and take appropriate precautions which doesn't mean shutting everything down, damaging our kids' education the economy and other healthcare (as well as making women more vulnerable to domestic abuse whether from their partners - or kids!). We need a sensible balance - not we need to prevent covid at all costs and tough if you are suffering in other ways.

I now have backache and need (a) a swim and (b) a sports massage. I'm lucky I've got this far before it kicked off but I hope not to have to put up with it for too long. It's quite minor compared with worries over possible cancer or suffering with bad toothache of course, but I hope I don't have to put up with it for too long.

@cantory

They are puite possibly lying - they're a private company with a massive financial incentive for people to believe in their product. I know because I read the news and listen to scientists who work in vaccine and related fields and it would be absolutely impossible to make that statement before the trials have been completed. Everybody knows that and you can't possibly take that statement as fact unless you're a total moron. If everything goes well and the vaccine proves to be effective at the first shot it might be available quickly but if we knew the results of human trials in advance we wouldn't bother to do them so we can't possibly say when the vaccine will be ready.

@cantory. You really need to try to understand the information we have. If you are under, say, 45, even if you're very fat, smoke, have low vitamin D, and are generally unhealthy, you have a very low chance of dying of the virus. The median age in the UK is 40.5.

There would not be under 300 deaths in this age group (which contains lots of people who are all of those things, as well as people with serious and terminally illnesses, and most of the UK population) if it was a very dangerous virus for a young person. (This group arguably also the most socially active and likely to be exposed.)

Focusing on the small numbers of people who've died is like convincing yourself that because some people die in car accidents you will die in a car accident if you ever get in a car again. It's a false belief AND likely to be a harmful one, because it will limit your life in unnecessary ways.

Lots of people have no idea of they have underlying medical issues.

Lots of healthy people who have loved ones who are vulnerable and you're contagious before you're symptomatic.

DS is on o2 and has a dodgy heart. If I get it, he'll get it. He's 4, he's never far from me unless he's at scho or in bed. The babies ate 5 months, no idea how they'd react. DH is seemingly healthy but has an irregular heart beat he's never had investigated and has gone deaf of no known reason as he's got older ((since his 20s) so god knows what's lurking inside his genetics. MIL is nearly 70. Sister has a heart condition. Father has COPD. ,,

I am not scared of it, I feel like I feel about people having colds or risks of driving

Yes, every time I step into the car I could get injured or die on my journey (150.000 Injured in the UK yearly)

I take that risk.

I also take the risk of catching flu and colds, and I could die of them (have had pneumonia before) . Again, I take that risk.

People seem to suddenly want lockdown until we have zero risk.

There always was risk. Every day, we risk our lives.

The media reports of Covid deaths has made people completely risk averse

To me it does not make sense

It’s like a mass brainwash

Do you shout ‘people due in the roads every day!’ Every time a loved one gets into a car?

I have moments of bad anxiety about life’s risks, but Covid worries me less than cancer or a lorry driver who has fallen asleep at the wheel

Not scared at all - think we’ve already had it (symptoms fit and timings fit with confirmed cases that I know personally). Even if we hadn’t, the risk is very small and there is risk to everything in life. Eager to get back to some normality.

HOWEVER, I’m constantly debating what to do about elderly relatives after the 12 week isolation period is up. I think for their sakes we should probably avoid them for a long time (year +) until we know more about COVID and whether we are likely to catch (and spread) it multiple times and whether the treatment plans available improve etc.. The relatives concerned would probably not be happy to not see my young children for that long so do I go with their wishes or do I override their wishes because I want to keep them safe? This is something I am struggling with.

I’m happy to go along with social distancing for the rest of the year in order to keep the curve flattened. Not happy to prolong lockdown.

I’m not especially worried for myself and immediate, nuclear family, although any of us with no (or no known) health conditions could be unlucky.

i’m extremely worried for family and friends, who are older and / or “vulnerable” (not “shielded”) and / or working in front line roles where they could have a high “viral load”.

I always find that the words - Serious question and 'I'm not meaning to be goady' mean the exact opposite.
Research underlying conditions, OP. Research death rates. Research obesity rates. Research the global economy. All of that might enable you to ask serious, non-goady questions. In the meantime, no-one is stopping you doing whatever you like in whatever country you may be in or whichever office/basement you may be working from.

Because in lock down there's no childcare, so if I get ill who will look after DC?

Ehm, we are being stopped to do whatever we like

Actually

What you say in your thread, OP, comes across as very smug and pleased with yourself , so I'm guessing you have neither family nor any friends as you don't seem to have considered the fact that if you catch it , you could potentially pass it on.

Not me spouting nonsense. The scientific international community. That's where I (and most of us on the sensible Covid threads - check out the graphs thread and the "worried about" thread)
As of yesterday 13.39% of those "tested and positive" in the UK have died. Attaching table (Italian reputable news source which takes its data from WHO etc and produces easy to understand graphs and tables on a daily basis. The UK figures are taken from PHE. )

@cantory As I understand it, they are saying that if all goes well, there could be a vaccine by the end of the year. But even if the trials do go well (they could fail completely), the vaccine is more likely to come out next year, according to the people running the study Pfizer is involved in: www.dw.com/en/germany-to-start-first-coronavirus-vaccine-trial/a-53211375

MyTwo, agree the key word in the article I have seen is ‘potential’, they are starting human trials as human trials have started in the UK (which have unfortunately failed). Reporting over the last few months leaves a lot to be desired.

@TheCanterburyWhales I'm afraid that's a misreading of the statistics you are looking at. See my explanation above at 14:16:01.

Nobody knows how ill the disease would make them. Plus, I don't want to unwittingly pass the disease to more vulnerable family or friends. Have you really been puzzling over this?

Well, I'm not now, because I think I've had it. (Didn't get a test, though, so who knows?) It was bloody horrible. Painful, debilitating, and I couldn't breathe. THAT was frightening. Not an illness I would like to get again.

Mostly I'm scared of elderly family and friends getting it.

@TheHumansAreDefinitelyDead yes everything you said

as I said previously perspective is everything