Healthy people why are you so scared of catching covid 19?

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Serious question. I’m interested in why healthy people with no underlying problems are so unhappy about starting to get back to normal. I’m not talking about shielded people who need to stay shielded. But everyone else.

@Quartz2208 I should think she'll be right about some of them and not others. There are other seasonal viruses around, so with mild symptoms and no test it's impossible to know. I did hear quite recently that, with the lockdown, there are fewer cold and flu viruses going round and there have been fewer flu deaths this year.

And now that we're almost past the point where the flu and colds are a factor, those who have symptoms are more likely to have COVID-19, which doesn't appear to be seasonal (there are cases in areas of Africa and Singapore after all).

@Quartz2208 The government did a randomised sample and have said between 2-4% of the UK population have been infected. So I get that figure from the government.

@cantory but that is UK as a whole, Stellamboscha lives in London where the % is higher

And this sums up why the lack of testing more widely before now was such a disgrace. It's now impossible to track the overall rate of infection, unless they finally manage to launch the 'antibody test (I'm not holding my breath).

So many people are unnecessarily dying when they could be treated with a cheap combination of Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and Azithromycin and Zinc, from the Dr. There are many studies across the world, of patients using this regimen, when very ill, and the vast majority of them became symptom free within a max of 3 days of starting it, but most rare symptom free within 12-24hrs giving it a relatively wide berth. Also, look at the countries which use HCQ as a preventative measure against malaria, and look at their CV-19 cases. I've seen that the number of Covid cases in those nations are far fewer than in those who don't use it as a preventative. BTW, HCQ can also be used to prevent other viral infections.

Ask yourselves this: why is this combination not being reported in the main stream media, such as the BBC etc, or US MSM such as CNN/ABC etc? Has anyone stopped to wonder why Boris recovered so quickly? One minute he was very ill in ICU, and within a week max, he was out and, pretty much back at work, like he'd only had a bad cold, at most.

Look up Dr Rashid Buttar (very well read in a number of medical fields) and Dr Judy Mikovitz (a cellular biologist) for the reality of what is going on regarding Covid-19. I'm not doing the research for people, but I will give names to start people off, which will link to other names to look up.

This is not a new virus. The Pirbright Institute in Surrey, was working on it to produce a vaccine. If you don't believe me, go to the patent website Justia, and you'll find that the patent was applied for in 2015, and granted in Nov 2018. So they knew about it over 3yrs ago. Look at who the 2 biggest funders of that patent are. Another thing, look up Event 201. Bill Gates was talking about a global Covid-19 pandemic. How did he know that this pandemic would happen? I'm very highly suspicious of people (not just wealthy people, but people in general), and BG, and knowing about this pandemic seems very suspicious.

No harm to anyone who's a fan of BG, but I don't trust him. Especially with his vaccines. Why would I trust a guy who is NOT a virologist, or an epidemiologist, is not even qualified in, nor practiced medicine and can't even keep viruses off his own bloody DOS.

Anyway, Dr Buttar talks about the toxic ingredients in vaccines and how the build up, over the years, can affect the body. You have the usual ingredients such as formaldehyde, thimerosal, and others. The first question I'd be asking my GP is for a detailed list of ingredients that are in any vaccine, who was behind the manufacturing and funding of them, before I even so much as think about getting one.

For those who can read, speak and understand fluent Italian, Loretta Bolgan is a woman who is very familiar with the ingredients in vaccines ( guess she has worked in or around vaccines and has done in-depth research into them). I don't know what she says about them as I don't understand Italian, but she was recommended to me by a lab technician friend,, and was another person to listen to on the topic.

Anyway, I'm off to bed now as I'm knackered. Hopefully you all stay safe and as well as can be expected, all things considered.

Take care y'all.

Gahhh, that was supposed to be "most were symptom free". Not rare.

Perhaps because this one has been sledgehammered into everyone's consciousness as opposed to the numerous other ailments that a small percentage of the population, tragically, get and die from on an individual not mass basis?

@Megan2018 same. It would also be traumatic to isolate mother away from a baby. How would that work?

ScruffbagsRUs

Hydroxychloroquine has now been largely discredited, according to US studies.

Small studies have shown remdesivere as looking promising and there's another HIV medication in stage three trials in the US that looks very promising currently.

HCQ is being used/trialled for covid 19.

Boris Johnson was "everyone else". The list of people who have died included "everyone else"
Please stop kidding yourself.

What a stupid question! Because people are dying, and even if we don't get it we can pass it onto other who will die!

Im not really worried about getting it, im worried about passing it on. Because when i make a decision that increases my risk that has a knock on effect of increasing risk in everyone i meet, some of who have no choice but to interact with me eg shop staff, the carer standing next to me in a queue

I work with people who might be considered vulnerable and certainly work with member of staff who have shielding family members. Most of us if not in contact with vulnerable people ourselves are only one link away from vulnerable person.

ScruffbagsRUs

So many people are unnecessarily dying when...

...some diseases can be prevented with a cheap vaccine.

There fixed that load of nonsense for you.

HCQ is being used/trialled for covid 19.

Studies in the US have largely proved it has no benefit though. Remdesivere has been approved though from what I've read it's not certain that it's effective. There is another HIV medication just in stage three clinical trials which is looking promising, can't remember the name but I'll have a look for it.

The drug is leronlimab manufactured by Cytodyn

They're trialling blood plasma from patients who have recovered from COVID-19 patients here in the UK. It's just been discussed on the news and sounds quite promising. Not a cure but the theory is it could speed up recovery.

Mittens030869

The rumour is that's what Boris was treated with.

(I've skipped to the end of the thread to reply to all the people comparing this to the risk of dying in a car accident, so hope I'm not repeating a point already made.)

Google tells me that in 2018 and in 2017, about 1800 people in the UK died in car accidents. That's an average of 150 a month.

The FT recently estimated that 41,000 more than usual deaths had occurred in the UK over several weeks since the start of COVID.

So that's 41,000 almost certainly COVID-related deaths in a time during which maybe 200 people would have died in car accidents, in a normal year.

I think none of the people comparing the risk of COVID with that of car accidents have any numbers to back up their argument.

I saw the plasma treatments trials in the media today. The source i read very much touted this a uk innovation or at least seemed to suggest that. It is already being tested/trialed in france and i saw on french news a few weeks ago. I get so irritated by the media and political spin i despair.

Also i believe the trials in the usa for HCQ were small. The French government i believe want more trials carried. A doctor in a hosptial uses it and he claims great success. Obviously is unclear at the moment.

Unless the hcq trial is a peer reviewed, double blind study I don't think we should pin our hopes on it. Anecdotal reports are what appear to have been fuelling Trump and his nonsensical rants.

As for the plasma treatment, I think it's shown some promise but is limited by scale. So few patients have had Covid and only some of them would be eligible to donate plasma that it isn't possible to view it as a large scale treatment. I had also read concerns that it offered only passive immunity and there were doubts as to whether the patient would develop their own and therefore longer lasting immunity, possibly risking re infection.

It's all just so unknown at the moment though and they are trying to gather information that normally takes years to research, in just months.

I agree hearhooves my point was that i did not feel it should be totally written off yet, there are going to be proper trials carried out at least in france i believe. As for the plasma i was just pissed at the media touting it as a uk only idea ( for want of another word).

@humphriescushion I think plasma has been used in the US as well, so you’re right, not invented here.

Humphriescushion

I think it has been written off in the States though (haven't read the studies personally though, only what others have reported). Given how hard Trump was trying to push it through he seems to have gone awfully quiet on the subject, which, if there was any suggestion that it worked, I doubt he would be doing.

I think the other two drugs will likely hold the most promise. Hopefully they'll roll out much wider scale testing, particularly of leronlimab which seems to have good safety data.

@RandomLondoner absolutely, and thank you for finding the numbers. It’s such a ridiculous argument to make.
And the “lockdown is preventing cancer treatment and mental health treatment argument”. It’s not the lockdown that’s preventing them- it’s having to free up space and resources in a planned way for a wave of COVID patients. If there was no lockdown and hospitals were overwhelmed, there would be even fewer resources for anything but COVID. Do we think lots of patients were having cancer and mental health treatment in Italy and Spain last month? I think not.
And what would a wave of deaths and bereavement do for everyone’s mental health? I speak as someone with mental health issues myself.