AIBU to get a bit fucked off at having to protect the NHS?

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This is a healthcare system I've paid into all my life. I don't think everyone who works in it is a hero and the vast majority of them aren't underpaid. It's ranked 16th in the world and has the worst cancer outcomes for any developed country. It's not very good. Nonetheless it's the only healthcare system open to me right now. But I can't access it. My operation had been cancelled and I can't get a consultant appointment. The GPs aren't seeing patients face to face. I've already had one tumour removed that was on the turn. I'm worried that I may have another. I have no way of finding out if this is the case. A family member has already died of covid 19 after being denied treatment for three days during which repeated calls to the ambulance service were made whereupon his mother was told she should only ring again if his lips turned blue. He is dead. Right now. The NHS didn't protect him. It isn't protecting me either. What is the point of the NHS, exactly? Most clinics are closed or running at half mast. GPs aren't seeing anyone. NHS staff get shopping hours and free food and fuck knows what else and we are all dying protecting them.

Their staff still call patients dahlin and parents mum.

Would it be just as bad if the said darling or is having certain accents unacceptable?

I always expect to be called by my surname actually (but have not needed medical help so not had experience of anyone asking me if I want to be called by my first name or surname)

Their staff still call patients dahlin and parents mum.

On this again?

We had to have austerity ecause Labour destroyed the economy AGAIN

No, we didn’t. Austerity was an ideological choice in response to a global financial crash. I don’t think anybody actually believes this shit any more but you still see the right trotting it out as fact.

Of course the NHS is run by the government. That’s why we have a Secretary of State for Health and a whole team of ministers. If you think the NHS is performing poorly - which it undoubtedly is in some respects - at least put the blame in the right place.

A global financial crash that the leaders and advisors of our country should have seen coming.
A lot of us without any qualifications saw what was on the horizon

Odd that none of the world’s governments saw it coming @Oliversmumsarmy. Maybe you should volunteer to be a government economic advisor.

Nobody knows what's going the corner. Friend of mine has a very rare illness that come on overnight : she has had a hard life anyway and dealing with the nhs and the authorities has not been easy at all for her. 6 months in rehab was not fun. She's stuck indoors most of the time as it is. She also had cancer.
I know that some people take the piss out of our health care system and welfare benefits but many many don't. For some it's a big safety net and she would have died without help.
Our bodies can let us down. Don't take good health for granted.

Alsohuman

Lots of people saw it coming.
Listening to the radio there was an interview with a woman who advised businesses and forecast every crash, recession and Brexit for the past 40 years.

She was saying that in order to forecast what is going on you have to talk to people from all walks of life.

Unfortunately people who are in charge of the country whether it be Gordon Brown or David Cameron don’t talk to the “little” people and take on board what they are saying.
If they did there eyes would be opened by what people say and maybe in the future there would be recessions, crashes averted or less painful.

It isn’t rocket science.

Did you foresee the latest financial crisis too?

People like Bill Gates and Chris Witty did predict this. It was all airbrushed away as Brexit and lack of money / austerity was seen as more important and to get the banks recovering after the 08 crash etc.
It's hard to prep for everything of course but certain people did know this health emergency was a possibility and the world had a near miss with Ebola in 2014. Ebola really scares me. A bacterial pandemic would be even worse than this.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but maybe experts should be listened to a bit more in future.

@Oliversmumsarmy "A lot of us without any qualifications saw what was on the horizon" + "Lots of people saw it coming"

Your and their potential is being wasted.

People literally get paid millions for forecasting these events! Why do you not get a job in trading? Don't like supercars or central London houses? Lamborghini's too noisy for you? Ferrari seats too firm? Couldn't care less about proximity to Hyde Park?

Why oh why dear @Oliversmumsarmy do you not use your talent to save the rest of us from the misery that are these recessions!?

I already live in a nice area of London and drive a very nice car.

Why oh why dear @Oliversmumsarmy do you not use your talent to save the rest of us from the misery that are these recessions

Because on the face of it I am an immigrant slum estate kid with no qualifications and you wouldn’t listen even if I told you.

@Oliversmumsarmy "Because on the face of it I am an immigrant slum estate kid with no qualifications and you wouldn’t listen even if I told you"

That's not the reason nobody listens to you. It's because you have opinions on things you barely understand (and your comments make that bleeding obvious) and cannot articulate clearly the reasoning and evidence to back up why you have those opinions.

It's not that no one saw this coming. I think it is more 21st Century/ Western complacency. Plague is something that happens in poor countries, in places that are not modernised with poor sanitation or something that happened in medieval times, not modern Western, advanced countries. That's what we thought anyway. This has humbled us and caught us off our guard. We had no contingency plan for ebola or some other deadly strain coming here.

plainsailing01

I have made my living from spotting when to buy and when to sell and been quite successful at it.

When I say things are getting over heated and everything is going to implode I didn’t realise that I needed to write a 40 page report on the reasoning and evidence everything.

I think I will keep “barely understanding” what I am doing as it seems to work for me.

I might in your opinion not be able to articulate as clearly as you like (maybe because my immigrant family did not speak the Queens English whilst I was growing up) but I know what I am talking about and if that has saved me a few million because I sold 2 properties before the recession hit and was able to buy 3 at the bottom then I think I am quite happy in my ignorance.

Few million over the years

@Oliversmumsarmy

Yawn. It's easy to be a keyboard warrior isn't it? Love, Jeff Bezos

Yes. YABU

Anyone seen the OP ?

Actually, I would like to retract my post Wed 29-Apr-20 17:24:26

I don't agree with the OP's thread title, but I do sympathise with her and all she has gone through. Sorry OP.

In @Oliversmumsarmy defence, what (I think) she is saying is that there was colloquial talk on the ground of a coming bust before it actually happened. I have a friend who was thinking of investing in real estate and was warned not to 2 years before the economic downturn. There was something in the air that some people picked up.

It's a bit like Brexit and who wins in an election. I have called every election winner since Major and knew Leave would win. I'm sure many others did as well. It truly is from speaking to people from a range of backgrounds. You pick up the undercurrent. It's not science, it's having an ear to the ground with a sense of intuition.

Thank you CatherineOfAragonsPomegranate It is by talking to lots of people from different areas from all walks of life you do realise that not everyone thinks the same as you.

It isn’t because they are not intelligent. They just live a different life and see things in a different way.

The anger even before the BREXIT vote was offered was there. David Cameron just didn’t hear it because he surrounded himself with the middle class and thought everyone thought like them.

Gordon Brown when he called that woman a Bigot showed exactly what he thought of people beneath him or didn’t agree with him.
He didn’t listen.

I hope everyone watched last night's Panorama and learned of how culpable the Tories are in the death of all those poor NHS workers.

^ the nhs staff on Panorama were labour stooges.

And I wish people would stop acting like half the nhs has perished to corona virus, nhs deaths are in line with that of the general population, a higher percentage of London bus drivers have died as a result of corona virus.

So really considering the nhs is the UKs biggest employer it seems you're less likely to die as an nhs employee than most others.

The anger even before the BREXIT vote was offered was there. David Cameron just didn’t hear it because he surrounded himself with the middle class and thought everyone thought like them.

Gordon Brown when he called that woman a Bigot showed exactly what he thought of people beneath him or didn’t agree with him.
He didn’t listen.

Yes and yes. Exactly.