to think it's madness to not ask for an extension to transition period?

[BaileysforBreakfast]

The government has approximately 36 days in which to decide whether to ask for an extension to the transition period. If they don't, we have only 7.5 months to hammer out a deal with the EU while we are in the grip of a worldwide crisis. If a deal isn't reached, we will have no trade agreement in place in December. It's possible, of course, that we may make agreements with other countries before then.

Cards on the table - I am opposed to Brexit and have always thought it was madness. IMO people in this country are suffering enough at the moment. Our economy is in a dangerous place right now and it would be reckless to not ask for an extension. What do others think?

YANBU - we should request an extension to the transition period
YABU - we should go ahead regardless

There is no intention to extend at the moment

newbie111
PS. I think @Clavinova is a bot or a troll

Then report her.

But she has been around for a long time.

But she has been around for a long time.
S/he has... copying and pasting, copying and pasting. I don't ever read their contributions. Just skip right over them.

PS. I think @Clavinova is a bot or a troll.
Are you working from some Russian troll farm?

You can call me Svetlana.

I sometimes think Russian trolls join for the politics and then get sucked into a good parking thread or baby name one

Govt immigration bill dropped from order paper, maybe Johnson likes immigrants now they've helped save his life?

Transition might go the same way.

Who knows? the world is a very different place to that of 2016 and who in their right mind wants to be associated with a crazy POTUS?

WTO rules will be wonderful.
Having to jump through the hoops of 160 vested interests rather than 27 will be a doddle.
The WTO tribunal never needed to sit anyway.
Roll on February 1st 2021

and back in the real world

I was an ardent remainer. I don't think we should push for an extension.

The govt has shown time and time again it has no intention of sorting a deal well in advance and no matter how much time we have, we'll run down the clock before we make a deal. The threat of no deal is our best negotiating tactic.

Aside from that, I think the attitude to some hardship after covid may well be different.

And finally, the EU is fucked. Look at how all the other EU countries treated each other at the start of this pandemic. Not sharing resources, seizing resources, closing national borders etc. There's no real unity there. We aren't all in it together. We may well be better put before it collapses completely

the EU is fucked. Look at how all the other EU countries treated each other at the start of this pandemic. Not sharing resources, seizing resources, closing national borders etc. There's no real unity there. We aren't all in it together. We may well be better put before it collapses completely

How did you expect any country to behave when they haven't the resources for their own populations let alone anyone else? and it does blow a hole in the idea the EU a federal state, it's not, its a trading bloc, no more!

Germany did eventually help other countries, even giving the UK some ventilators.

The world will drift into protectionism and i fear that whilst the EU will slowly adapt to that, the UK on its own and with a unstable America, might not do well in this new era... i'd bet a months wages Trump will win in November.

jasjas1973

Trump is going to win with or without this.

The BBC is reporting "disappointing progress being made". FGS neither side is very interested at this point. Extend transition and come back to it in a year or so. The British government is being stubborn for the sake of it.

The BBC is reporting "disappointing progress being made".

The beeb were quoting Barnier who's hardly likely to say it's all going brilliantly.
He's in a permanent state of disappointment with us.

He's in a permanent state of disappointment with us.

I'm in a permanent state of disappointment with us and the government's incompetent handling of Covid does not inspire confidence with regard to Brexit.

Covid has shown that it's incredibly risky to rely on everything coming from China, or on long supply chains generally. The new version of globalisation will favour shorter supply chains, ie. trade with the neighbours. A no deal scenario is nothing short of suicide.
Plus, Lord only knows what will happen in the US and I wouldn't want to rely on a Trump deal.
I hope they see sense or we'll be in deep shit.

They’re not going to. It’s as simple as that. No deal has been the plan all along. You have to understand the underpinning ideology - small state,, low taxes, free market principles, public services privatised, to understand that they want the UK to become a tax haven for the wealthy, and let market forces deal with the rest. This will work for the wealthy, but it will make life more expensive for the rest of us, and will make life very difficult for those who are unable to work. This is the plan.

but it will make life more expensive for the rest of us, and will make life very difficult for those who are unable to work. This is the plan.

A plan to make life harder for those unable to work in the midst of a likely terrible global depression does sound like it might come straight from the Iain Duncan Smith school of political ideology.

I voted YABU.

I’m sick of the Brits harping on about Brexit. Get on with what you voted for (twice).

I am sure they will think of the effect of No Deal Brexit on all the people who voted for them in "The Red Wall" - unless it's not staying in power they care about but just the effects of No Deal on the people at the top.

@chomalungma Of course they’re going to care about people at the top! Very few people enter politics to “make a difference”, the majority kiss the rings of their billionaire masters so they get a chance to hold the reins of power in order to enrich themselves.

Anyone who thinks the wealthy don’t understand how to make a return on their “investment” in a politician or thinks that politicians exist to make life easier for the average person most likely thinks Peppa is a real talking pig!