To clarify the one hour of exercise 'rule'

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I've seen this mentioned on so many posts and I've seen people clarify it within the post but I've not seen a specific post about it. I thought this could help people who seem confused about what is 'allowed'.

Michael Gove was asked on the Andrew Marr show what he considered to be reasonable exercise. This is his response:

"I would have thought that for most people, a walk of up to an hour, or a run of 30 minutes or a cycle ride of between that, depending on their level of fitness is appropriate."

So it is not a hard and fast rule or law. No one is standing with a stopwatch as it gets to 59 mins. It's guidance and it will vary between individuals as Mr Gove says himself.

Hopefully you'll develop some, but such things are very individual. Spending too much time on these sorts of MN threads may not be one of them (applies to me too, tbh)

It's either this or sitting watching TV which is driving me mad tbh

Oh God, is Hearhooves having another pity party? We all miss our kids, ffs. Ours FaceTime, text and call - why don’t yours?

Surely being in your own garden, even in a London terrace, the chance of getting it from next door in infinitesimally small.

I mean you would have taken more risks just leaving the house before all this started.

Hooves you do realise that everybody has it shit. Despite what you think, you dont have it worst. You are not the most vulnerable. You dont have the worst neighbours. You dont work in the worst supermarket. You can take advantage of offers of support available. You look for problems and reasons why everything is bad. You dont look at what you can do.

Theres lots of information for people shielding and exercises they can do at home. Theres a man almost 100 who has been in poor health, doing laps of his garden. I am sure you can research and come up with something to do in the house or garden.

The rest of us have shit as well.

Dp has a condition that could kill him. It was being monitored with CT scans every 4 weeks, until it got to the point where it was operable, but before he ended up with fluid building up on his brain.

As of tomorrow, he will have missed 2 scans. We are both terrified.

My dad works for the NHS, frontline. My mum is shielding. They cant live separately, the house isnt big, but they both cant justify him not going to work when he is needed. They manage it best they can. If mum gets it, she will likely die. My aunt in her late 50s is also frontline NHS. She is I'll at home and been tested today.

My best friend is the one perosn that stopped me doing something stupid during my divorce. I miss her terribly. And her kids.

I am rarely going out for exercise. Because my entire team has been furloughed. Except me. Great, I get full pay, for doing 13 hour days to keep on top of the work. Working from my spare, box, room and most days not being able to stop to spend time with my kids or even eat. Even over easter weekend, I worked every day. Because my boss is trying to hold the company he built together. I think he is a cock. But as senior leadership I feel it's my responsibility to do all I can.not just for him, but for the 1200 other employees. I am the central team and having to deal with 22 departments. I am more stressed now than I have ever been.

Ds has asd and is finding this all incredibly difficult and I cant even spend some proper time with him.

Dp has been made redundant. We will survive on my wage. But it's not easy. He was going to go work in a supermarket but I asked him not to. If he gets it and then gets told he can get a scan, then cant go, that would be shit and missing it could potentially kill him. But also someone needs to watch my kids. He is also making sure the kids go out AND the dogs are walked. I am not getting more than 3 hours sleep a night. Today has been good. I managed to have lunch and finish at 5
I started at 5am though.

On top of it all I have GAD.

We all have it shit. What I dont do is moan about my team who are furloughed and quite happy about it. They cant go anywhere to spend money, so the wage cut isnt bothering them and they are all spending days watching boxersets or sunbathing. I dont think they should have it a shit as me. Dps mum is younger than my mum. And in good health. He isnt worried about her getting it that much. I am not mad at him because he isnt constantly worried. I am not mad at him because he gets to go for a walk. I dont think he should stay in because I have stuff to do.

I dont get mad he gets to watch TV while I listen to someone from a other department cry down the phone because she is so stressed.

You only have the TV and MN. I would love a few days where I only have TV to watch. But I am not mad at you. I dont see moaning that I have it worse than everyone else.

We all have bits of our lives that others would like. We all have bits our line that people wouldnt have thrown at them. Its shit.

And the competitive 'its shitter for me' isnt helping anyone and is just self pity.

You can go out. You can video call your kids. As you labelled it essential you could go see them, but remain distant.

You could look at what exercise you could do. What you can do, that may help if you cant have physio. What you could do instead of just watching TV.

For the record, I am not saying my life is shitter than yours. It just is what it is. And I can either just get on with it and look for the good. Or drown in self pity getting angry at everyone else because they get to do stuff I dont. Because that's not helping anyone.

Again, I'm obviously not as strong or resourceful person as you. Hope you feel suitably superior.

Nope, it doesn't at all, it does make me sorry that some people are so bitter and twisted they can't think of anything else to do with their time but mope and moan and then try to make sad passive aggressive digs at people who don't see the point in making themselves needless miserable. I've had enough of that in life already and I'll continue to feel I'm very blessed to have born in the time and place where I was, many have it much worse and also manage not to spend their lives beating their chests and tearing their hair because they're hard done by. Life is rarely a smooth ride for anyone, we learn to adjust or just sit and be a person no one wants to be around because they're like a Dementor.

Oh God, is Hearhooves having another pity party? We all miss our kids, ffs. Ours FaceTime, text and call - why don’t yours?

Appears so. Has also never heard of YouTube. You can find all sorts of stuff on YouTube, including exercises. It's easier to sit on the sofa and throw pot shots at randoms, though.

I don't go to the physio to do exercise. I go to have manipulation and hands on treatment - is that available on YouTube?

I do hope some of you don't work with vulnerable people or volunteer with the Samaritans. Is that what you'd tell callers - get over yourselves, moaning Minnie's, other people have it hard?

It's all relative. My life right now, is shit. No, I don't know what else to do actually. And yes, I talk to my children and text them. Whoopee doo. I want to spend my dds 21st birthday with her. Not texting her happy birthday.

But, yep, I'll count my blessings. The funny thing is all you berating me are the ones having an attack of the vapours at the thought of not being able to go.out exercising three times a day. Why don't you all sit in, watch TV and count your blessings if it's such a great life?

It's all relative. My life right now, is shit. No, I don't know what else to do actually. And yes, I talk to my children and text them. Whoopee doo. I want to spend my dds 21st birthday with her. Not texting her happy birthday.

Wow. I'd like to text my daughter. But she is dead. I wish I could be with her, too, but I have to die to do that and I don't want to leave my other children just now, although I accept that the time and manner of my death is mostly likely out of my hands. Throwing my toys out the pram isn't going to change what is. Waaa, it's not what I want. Well, that's too bad, isn't it?

You don't seem to want to improve your situation in any way, Hear, you just seem to want validation that you have it the worst of anyone in the whole world during this. Well, you don't and that's why you'll never get what you want out of people. There is plenty you can do besides sit on here on here or watch TV, that's your choice.

Why on Earth do other people have to modify their behaviour to suit you in order to count their blessings? That's just so immature and ridiculous.

You know what, I could go around the boards here and tell 3/4 of the posters to get over themselves, that other people have much bigger problems and that they clearly don't want to help themselves. Quite ironic that you keep telling me that I'm engaging in the "who's got it worse" competition.

So why not go ahead and do that, then? Honestly, you merail every thread you're on, anyhow. No one's ever allowed to have another way of looking at things, but since you say you only have MN and TV, why not go on and do that? 'Springtime on the Farm' is on, though.

Why not do it? Because it's spiteful and unnecessary. Just because a problem doesn't seem like a big deal to me it doesn't mean it isn't a big deal to the person struggling with it.

But give yourself a big pat on the back for being so much braver, stronger, resilient than me. Well done.

What's with the passive aggressive personal digs, Hear? WTF? Whatever. Yeah, I think I will pat myself on the back, though, I'm so glad I don't spend my life creating ways to be as miserable as possible, making everything about myself and how hard done by I am and how everyone else is just so awful. What a waste that would be. I'm very glad indeed I'm not such an emotionally draining and negative person. That would really suck.

Why not do it? Because it's spiteful and unnecessary.

Here, I tell you what's spiteful and unnecessary. Taking digs at a bereaved mother for making the best of the shitty hand life dealt her.

You've been all over boards trying to emotionally blackmail people, trying to manipulate people into doubting themselves. And twisting people's words all over the place. Accusing them of saying all sorts of things that they haven't said.

I do actually feel sorry for the crappy position you find yourself in. I feel sympathetic that you are so anxious that you are afraid to go into your own garden.

But it's hard to find any common ground or rapport with someone who has been as cruel as you have, not just once but repeatedly.

I don't go to the physio to do exercise. I go to have manipulation and hands on treatment - is that available on YouTube?

No but you could use some of day looking for something. Lots of physiotherapists are doing online sessions and videos to help people manage their pain or at least limit it.

I do hope some of you don't work with vulnerable people or volunteer with the Samaritans. Is that what you'd tell callers - get over yourselves, moaning Minnie's, other people have it hard?

People struggling? No, everyone can moan. But when they become nasty and try to control other people and stop people doing things because they cant, then yes someone needs to tell them stop and realise they are not the worst off. That everyone isnt out to make their life harder. That its shit, but that doesnt mean it's ok to be bitter and twisted and turn on people in different circumstances.

You have no empathy for anyone who isnt you. You have slagged your neighbours off, all the customers that came into your work, countless people on here. You have absolutely no empathy for anyone else and want them to stop doing things because you choose not to.

That's the point. Have a moan. When it turns into trying to control others, it's not ok. In the last few weeks you have misquoted every guideline and e oressed you want harsher lock down, for one reason. To stop people going about their business because YOU choose not to do anything at all.

It's my birthday next week. I would like to spend it with my parents or my best friend. Whoopie. I will spend it with dp and get some texts.

Its shit. But it's tough. It was dps 40th last week. We took the dog for a walk and then went food shopping. And he got some texts. You arent unique. People are having birthdays everyday, alone.

That's the point. You are convinced everyone else is living a normal life and doing what they want. That you are more impacted than everyone else and everyone else is doing fine. Totally lack of empathy. Then have the cheek to turn it round and say people arent showing you compassion.

But, yep, I'll count my blessings. The funny thing is all you berating me are the ones having an attack of the vapours at the thought of not being able togo.outexercising three times a day. Why don't you all sit in, watch TV and count your blessings if it's such a great life?

Ffs, you dont even read. I am not getting out once a day. Never mind 3 times. I went out twice last saturday. That's it. Once for exercise and once for food shopping.

I am not going out 3 times a day. Never mind, every day.

You cant get delivery slots, been saying it for weeks. So who is doing your food shopping? Do you hate them too.

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In a professional capacity I would have been advised to step away from a client like hooves
I have hidden this thread this afternoon for personal reasons
I will be hiding again now
Care and support with a service user is a contract with boundaries
Hooves would have been told this long ago

Quite ironic that you keep telling me that I'm engaging in the "who's got it worse" competition.

It's not about a competition. The only person competing is you.

It's about your realising that other people are impacted to. That other people have it shit and empathy for others situations can go along way.

My empathy for you has been drained because you dont want to help yourself and want everyone to be as miserable as you. Its toxic.

Yes, from a list of about thirty things
I did a vulnerable person shop today at work full of 'free from', lacto free, low cholesterol stuff. Most were specific items they requested.
Why cant your Morrison's do the same as mine?

@Willow2017 please don’t be reasonable!

Tell you who I feel sorry for Hooves, that’s my stepdaughter who’s been working 12 hour shifts on ITU for weeks now. Her mask has brought her face up in weals, her gloves have wrecked her hands and she’s cried at the end of every shift. She’s been living in a hotel room to keep the person she lives with safe.

Now she’s got Covid19 and is stuck in a studio flat alone until her symptoms subside. Looking after herself with nobody to even make her a cup of tea. And she smiles and asks how we are and sends loving texts.

You could learn a lot from her.

You have slagged your neighbours off, all the customers that came into your work, countless people on here.

I haven't slagged my neighbours off - I said there are five adults and a child living in the house and spending all day in the garden. Not slagging them off, just stating the situation.

I haven't slagged the customers off - I said about the ones who were throwing things at cashier's and were shouting at us.

As for peppermint I said that I empathised with her not seeing her son. Since then she hasn't stopped attacking me, throwing insults at me, pointing out my failings. And then has the cheek to ask me why I'm attacking her.

To stop people going about their business because YOU choose not to do anything at all.

I choose to not do anything at all? How? I've been told to shield. It's hardly a choice I've made.

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I'm not a troll. Hide the thread. You listed all of the things that were so readily available, goading me constantly with "oh, I could find this for you but you don't want help". Until I said yes, please can you tell me where I can find that and then strangely you disappeared. Why? Because that help doesn't actually exist does it but rather than coming back to say that and admit you were wrong you just disappear.

So who is doing your food shopping?

My husband. I've said it about ten times now.

Willow2017

I'm sure Morrisons would. But that reply was about the specific list that Morrisons have that you can order over the phone. It's not the normal shopping website, it's just a restricted lust that is available over the phone.

Here's the Morrisons list, ok? @Mascotte I'm not being unreasonable, making it up, wallowing in self pity. Same as the snappy shopper or whatever ok? Not available in my area. Morrisons shopping list is very limited. Not me being woe is me. Just facts.

Mascotte
Sorry

@willow2017 - are you saying I can phone that number and order whatever I want then? If so, that will be really helpful

I disappeared because I refuse to Easter any further energy on someone who doesn't want it
I've spent all afternoon despite personally being a in a shit place sorting stuff for people on my day off
I also remembered the rules I was taught about working with people to protect myself
I won't engage with you any further

There is the option to hand a list in and we get the shopping for you, your DH could do that and then have it delivered.