To wonder how schools can realistically reopen when there is still a killer virus about with no vaccine?

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I’m not talking about them reopening now, in May or June or even September.

Who is prepared to send their DC into a school with hundreds of other DC, where social distancing and keeping a germ free environment is literally impossible, even with the best wills in the world, when there is a life threatening disease floating about which is highly transmittable and you have no guarantee it won’t make your DC severely ill or die.

Social distancing just between parents will be impossible at my DC’s school of over 500 where we all have to wait outside the main gates at pick up time.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m desperate for schools to reopen before my DC turn completely feral, but I don’t see how that can happen until we have a vaccine. We’re being told to stay home and keep our distance now due to the risk, the risk will be the same next month or in 5 months won’t it?

Touched a nerve have I? Looking in the mirror isn’t great is it? Like I said karma.

Just utterly batshit posts now. Ignored.

Touched a nerve have I? Looking in the mirror isn’t great is it? Like I said karma.

Jeez it’s like arguing with a nine year old.

Yes some adult staff will get it. I've had it, I'm recovering now. If those adult staff are not in a shielding group then they don't need to worry. They are far more likely to die from cancer, alcohol related issues, traffic accident or suicide than of covid 19.

Those. Are. The. Facts.

My adult father with COPD might get it and die from it. He also might die earlier than thought of COPD. Or falling off a ladder, or in a car accident.

If you don’t give a shit that sending your child to school will cause people to die then it’s your tough shit if it happens to you. Not to mention the pressure on nhs staff, but hey if it means you don’t have to look after your own children...

Those who don’t care if others get it might find themselves losing their own lives or the lives of their loved ones.

Who doesn’t care about others getting it? It’s just being realistic. People will get it whether people care about it or not. Likewise anyone is at risk of losing their own lives or family members losing theirs. Karma has nothing to do with it.

There are lots of parents who are at a real risk of dying or being left with long term health problems as a result. And lots of school staff as well. We are being seen as acceptable casualties.

The vast majority of us are ‘acceptable casualties’ in that we have to go out to earn money to put food on the table.

If you find the risks you’re being asked to take unacceptable, then I suggest you quit or take a career break.

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Did you send your child to school before they closed?
If yes then you sent them to school when there were illnesses that can potentially kill around. @Firef1y72

Exactly this. Last year one of my DS friends ended up in ICU from a common case of chicken pox. It went through the rest of the class as normal and yet he was the one it wasn’t so straightforward for. Or the DC with norovirus, who then pass it on to grandparents who cover childcare, causing dehydration at best, but severe complications in the elderly at worst. What did we do BC?🤷‍♀️ School and work life will always carry risks with or without a vaccine for CVD19, whether they reopen this May, September or Julember 2034...

I’m not wishing bad luck on anyone.

I don't think anyone here will send their children to school (to deliberately set about killing others) until the schools are, like, open Once they're open, it's actually compulsory to do so, which will be interesting.

No I would not drive if I had a 10% chance of dying when I got in a car.

If there was a 1 in 2 chance that your kids would get cancer, would you still have a kid?

Plot twist - that is the actual risk you signed your kid up for.

Karma is quite a difficult and complex Buddhist concept, it does not mean "what goes around comes around" but is more about how our behaviours and actions shape our lives. In a very simple example if you are always miserable an unpleasant to other people, they will probably not be terribly nice to you.It always makes me very sad when people use it in the context as here to define some sort of illogical divine retribution.

My conscious is clear I won’t be putting anyone in danger

I do think people need to get their heads around how they are going to live their lives with the risk of this virus for at least the next year.

Like it’s been said the government strategy isn’t to stop most people (especially young and fit) from getting this its to slow the spread and stop the NHS being overwhelmed. (Whilst shielding the vulnerable).

Some day soon (maybe 4-6 weeks?). Things will start opening again and your personal risk will go up. There will be a second wave and maybe a third.

Personally I am not prepared to home school/ not work/ keep my kids out of an educational setting for a year. I am low risk though, so is my DH and kids. If I had a vulnerable child I am sure I would feel differently.

I’ve kind of accepted we’ll all get it and I’d rather have it in August than in winter when there are other bigs around and I feel fa now run down. This is my personal feeling.

But the government will not keep you and your kids locked down until a vaccine is found.

Once they're open, it's actually compulsory to do so, which will be interesting.

It won't be compulsory for those from households sheilding the extremely vulnerable or where someone in the household is suspected of having Covid. There are going to be large absences in schools for many months after they reopen until the vulnerable are vaccinated.

but hey if it means you don’t have to look after your own children...

I hate this phrase, I love my son and I love spending time with him, but its a fact that he thrives at school and he thrives with the structure that school brings. He is struggling with homeschooling (as am I) and he is struggling in the Easter holidays with not being able to go out.

Wanting him to go back to school, doesn't mean I don't want to look after him, I just know that he copes better with the structure. Also schools open means we are not stuck in a small flat with no open spaces.

I also have to be aware that he may be more at risk from having mental health conditions than other kids. As it certainly runs in my family.

It's amazing how indifferent some are to almost 1000 people a day losing their lives. This is not the conversation we should be having. Talking about getting back to school etc... We've become Italy but we had warning of Italy! This is a national scandal and a tragedy. It's inexcusable. It isn't comparable to anything else in living memory, other than world wars. People don't die in our roads each year in those numbers or in fact in any way. There's no point saying normal life has to go on for your children because the virus doesn't care that you think that-it claims grandparents and (perhaps the equivalent of a whole schools worth) of healthy children, not to mention others who have an equal right to life such as their vulnerable peers and teachers.

There's no point complaining that our social services will suffer in a lockdown because they'd be bled dry by the conditions that will ensue if lockdown eased and the virus gets its foot to the floor again. Forget cancer treatment. Forget grandparents in every family.

Our government needs to get into gear to deal with it like the advanced, well resourced country we are. It won't make it go away but without a competent response, endless supplies of PPE, clarity around immunity, adequate stocks of effective testing kits, clarity around treatment protocols and treatment developments, we are DEFINITELY not in position to try life without lockdown. It doesn't matter how much you don't like the way life is right now. It is always possible for there to be a worse alternative. What we have now is atrocious. I'm very very very concerned about vulnerable people in our communities who aren't receiving contact she care. But I know there position could not possibly be better in a world where COVID-19 is unchecked.

And forget the idea we can exit lockdown gradually and sensibly. There is no such thing. The government doesn't have that kind of finesse. We can lock down and enforce that or we can pretty much go back to normal. It's a bit like the Atkins diet. There is no way to have a little bit of normality without people saying "Well it's ok to do this as well then" or becoming incensed because X can go to X and the injustice of it drives them to do exactly as they please.

I'm not putting an other healthy 23-59 year old in any danger from my child going to school you lunatic. Please tell me you don't teach science. Or maths. Or anything that requires critical thinking, evidence or logic.

I wonder how far these perceived morals would stretch if they were being forced into unpaid leave

Nobody wants to stay in a cave for ever. Is there any need to be so insulting. Just strangely we want the risk of school staff, teenagers and their parents dying of corona to be low risk.

Mine will be back as soon as they open. I don't see why some posters seem to think all of us should be going further than the government has told us to go. If you want to, by all means crack on, but please don't pretend you're morally superior to the rest of us for choosing to do so.

And my maternal grandfather has just died of covid, for what it's worth.

Iateallthecookies000 I cringe when people misuse the word ‘karma’ - it really doesn’t mean what you think it does. Stop reading facebook memes and look up the real meaning of the word.

I don’t think you’ve hit a nerve I just think your being being really silly and ignorant. Lock down isn’t about not getting the virus, it’s just to slow it down. Many many people will already have it and have zero symptoms.