To remind you this about nurse's pay?

[CeibaTree]

A list of every MP that voted against the nurse’s pay rise.
Remember how they clapped and cheered:

Dominic Raab (CONSERVATIVE)
Boris Johnson (CONSERVATIVE)
Michael Gove (CONSERVATIVE)
Rishi Sunak (CONSERVATIVE)
Priti Patel (CONSERVATIVE)
Jacob Rees-Mogg (CONSERVATIVE)
Matt Hancock (CONSERVATIVE)
John Redwood (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Grayling (CONSERVATIVE)
Sajid Javid (CONSERVATIVE)
Tobias Ellwood (CONSERVATIVE)
Jeremy Hunt (CONSERVATIVE)
Nicky Morgan (CONSERVATIVE)
Grant Shapps (CONSERVATIVE)
David Davies (CONSERVATIVE)
David Davis (CONSERVATIVE)
Crispin Blunt (CONSERVATIVE)
James Brokenshire (CONSERVATIVE)
James Cleverly (CONSERVATIVE)
Damian Green (CONSERVATIVE)
Dominic Grieve (CONSERVATIVE)
Theresa May (CONSERVATIVE)
Kenneth Clarke (CONSERVATIVE)
Damian Collins (CONSERVATIVE)
Nadine Dorries (CONSERVATIVE)
Iain Duncan Smith (CONSERVATIVE)
Philip Hammond (CONSERVATIVE)
George Eustice (CONSERVATIVE)
Zac Goldsmith (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen Hammond (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrea Leadsom (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Liam Fox (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Michael Fallon (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Paul Beresford (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Oliver Letwin (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Nicholas Soames (CONSERVATIVE)
Elizabeth Truss (CONSERVATIVE)
Theresa Villiers (CONSERVATIVE)
Nadhim Zahawi (CONSERVATIVE)
Justin Tomlinson (CONSERVATIVE)
Michael Tomlinson (CONSERVATIVE)
Martin Vickers (CONSERVATIVE)
John Whittingdale (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Henry Bellingham (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Peter Bottomley (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir William Cash (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Alan Duncan (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Roger Gale (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Oliver Heald (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Greg Knight (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Edward Leigh (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Patrick McLoughlin (CONSERVATIVE)
Dame Caroline Spelman (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Desmond Swayne (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Hugo Swire (CONSERVATIVE)
Anna Soubry (CONSERVATIVE)
Owen Paterson (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen Metcalfe (CONSERVATIVE)
Johnny Mercer (CONSERVATIVE)
Kit Malthouse (CONSERVATIVE)
Nigel Evans (CONSERVATIVE)
Nigel Adams (CONSERVATIVE)
Bim Afolami (CONSERVATIVE)
Adam Afriyie (CONSERVATIVE)
Peter Aldous (CONSERVATIVE)
Lucy Allan (CONSERVATIVE)
Heidi Allen (CONSERVATIVE)
Stuart Andrew (CONSERVATIVE)
Edward Argar (CONSERVATIVE)
Victoria Atkins (CONSERVATIVE)
Richard Bacon (CONSERVATIVE)
Kemi Badenoch (CONSERVATIVE)
Steve Baker (CONSERVATIVE)
Harriett Baldwin (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Phillip Lee (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Thérèse Coffey (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Caroline Johnson (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Julian Lewis (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Andrew Murrison (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Matthew Offord (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Sarah Wollaston (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Dan Poulter (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen Barclay (CONSERVATIVE)
John Baron (CONSERVATIVE)
Guto Bebb (CONSERVATIVE)
Richard Benyon (CONSERVATIVE)
Jake Berry (CONSERVATIVE)
Bob Blackman (CONSERVATIVE)
Nick Boles (CONSERVATIVE)
Peter Bone (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew C Bowie (CONSERVATIVE)
Ben Bradley (CONSERVATIVE)
Karen Bradley (CONSERVATIVE)
Graham Brady (CONSERVATIVE)
Jack Brereton (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Bridgen (CONSERVATIVE)
Steve Brine (CONSERVATIVE)
Fiona Bruce (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Buckland (CONSERVATIVE)
Alex Burghart (CONSERVATIVE)
Conor Burns (CONSERVATIVE)
Alistair Burt (CONSERVATIVE)
Alun Cairns (CONSERVATIVE)
James Cartlidge (CONSERVATIVE)
Maria Caulfield (CONSERVATIVE)
Alex Chalk (CONSERVATIVE)
Rehman Chishti (CONSERVATIVE)
Christopher Chope (CONSERVATIVE)
Jo Churchill (CONSERVATIVE)
Colin Clark (CONSERVATIVE)
Greg Clark (CONSERVATIVE)
Simon Clarke (CONSERVATIVE)
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown (CONSERVATIVE)
Alberto Costa (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Courts (CONSERVATIVE)
Geoffrey Cox (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen Crabb (CONSERVATIVE)
Tracey Crouch (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Davies (CONSERVATIVE)
Glyn Davies (CONSERVATIVE)
Mims Davies (CONSERVATIVE)
Philip Davies (CONSERVATIVE)
Caroline Dinenage (CONSERVATIVE)
Jonathan Djanogly (CONSERVATIVE)
Leo Docherty (CONSERVATIVE)
Julia Dockerill (CONSERVATIVE)
Michelle Donelan (CONSERVATIVE)
Steve Double (CONSERVATIVE)
Oliver Dowden (CONSERVATIVE)
Jackie Doyle-Price (CONSERVATIVE)
Richard Drax (CONSERVATIVE)
James Duddridge (CONSERVATIVE)
David Duguid (CONSERVATIVE)
Philip Dunne (CONSERVATIVE)
Michael Ellis (CONSERVATIVE)
Charlie Elphicke (CONSERVATIVE)
David Evennett (CONSERVATIVE)
Michael Fabricant (CONSERVATIVE)
Suella Fernandes (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Field (CONSERVATIVE)
Vicky Ford (CONSERVATIVE)
Kevin Foster (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Francois (CONSERVATIVE)
Lucy Frazer (CONSERVATIVE)
George Freeman (CONSERVATIVE)
Mike Freer (CONSERVATIVE)
Marcus Fysh (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Garnier (CONSERVATIVE)
David Gauke (CONSERVATIVE)
Nusrat Ghani (CONSERVATIVE)
Nick Gibb (CONSERVATIVE)
Cheryl Gillan (CONSERVATIVE)
John Glen (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Goodwill (CONSERVATIVE)
Luke Graham (CONSERVATIVE)
Richard Graham (CONSERVATIVE)
Bill Grant (CONSERVATIVE)
Helen Grant (CONSERVATIVE)
James Gray (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Green (CONSERVATIVE)
Justine Greening (CONSERVATIVE)
Sam Gyimah (CONSERVATIVE)
Kirstene Hair (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Halfon (CONSERVATIVE)
Luke Hall (CONSERVATIVE)
Greg Hands (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Harper (CONSERVATIVE)
Richard Harrington (CONSERVATIVE)
Rebecca Harris (CONSERVATIVE)
Trudy Harrison (CONSERVATIVE)
Simon Hart (CONSERVATIVE)
John Hayes (CONSERVATIVE)
James Heappey (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Heaton-Harris (CONSERVATIVE)
Peter Heaton-Jones (CONSERVATIVE)
Gordon Henderson (CONSERVATIVE)
Nick Herbert (CONSERVATIVE)
Damian Hinds (CONSERVATIVE)
Simon Hoare (CONSERVATIVE)
George Hollingbery (CONSERVATIVE)
Kevin Hollinrake (CONSERVATIVE)
Philip Hollobone (CONSERVATIVE)
Adam Holloway (CONSERVATIVE)
John Howell (CONSERVATIVE)
Nigel Huddleston (CONSERVATIVE)
Eddie Hughes (CONSERVATIVE)
Nick Hurd (CONSERVATIVE)
Alister Jack (CONSERVATIVE)
Margot James (CONSERVATIVE)
Ranil Jayawardena (CONSERVATIVE)
Mr Bernard Jenkin (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrea Jenkyns (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Jenrick (CONSERVATIVE)
Gareth Johnson (CONSERVATIVE)
Joseph Johnson (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Jones (CONSERVATIVE)
David Jones (CONSERVATIVE)
Marcus Jones (CONSERVATIVE)
Daniel Kawczynski (CONSERVATIVE)
Gillian Keegan (CONSERVATIVE)
Seema Kennedy (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen Kerr (CONSERVATIVE)
Julian Knight (CONSERVATIVE)
Kwasi Kwarteng (CONSERVATIVE)
John Lamont (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Lancaster (CONSERVATIVE)
Pauline Latham (CONSERVATIVE)
Jeremy Lefroy (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Lewer (CONSERVATIVE)
Brandon Lewis (CONSERVATIVE)
Ian Liddell-Grainger (CONSERVATIVE)
David Lidington (CONSERVATIVE)
Jack Lopresti (CONSERVATIVE)
Jonathan Lord (CONSERVATIVE)
Tim Loughton (CONSERVATIVE)
Craig Mackinlay (CONSERVATIVE)
Rachel Maclean (CONSERVATIVE)
Anne Main (CONSERVATIVE)
Alan Mak (CONSERVATIVE)
Scott Mann (CONSERVATIVE)
Paul Masterton (CONSERVATIVE)
Paul Maynard (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen McPartland (CONSERVATIVE)
Esther McVey (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Menzies (CONSERVATIVE)
Huw Merriman (CONSERVATIVE)
Maria Miller (CONSERVATIVE)
Amanda Milling (CONSERVATIVE)
Nigel Mills (CONSERVATIVE)
Anne Milton (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Mitchell (CONSERVATIVE)
Damien Moore (CONSERVATIVE)
Penny Mordaunt (CONSERVATIVE)
Anne Marie Morris (CONSERVATIVE)
David Morris (CONSERVATIVE)
James Morris (CONSERVATIVE)
Wendy Morton (CONSERVATIVE)
David Mundell (CONSERVATIVE)
Sheryll Murray (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Neill (CONSERVATIVE)
Sarah Newton (CONSERVATIVE)
Caroline Nokes (CONSERVATIVE)
Jesse Norman (CONSERVATIVE)
Neil O'Brien (CONSERVATIVE)
Guy Opperman (CONSERVATIVE)
Neil Parish (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Pawsey (CONSERVATIVE)
Mike Penning (CONSERVATIVE)
John Penrose (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Percy (CONSERVATIVE)
Claire Perry (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Philp (CONSERVATIVE)
Christopher Pincher (CONSERVATIVE)
Rebecca Pow (CONSERVATIVE)
Victoria Prentis (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Prisk (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Pritchard (CONSERVATIVE)
Tom Pursglove (CONSERVATIVE)
Jeremy Quin (CONSERVATIVE)
Will Quince (CONSERVATIVE)
Laurence Robertson (CONSERVATIVE)
Mary Robinson (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Rosindell (CONSERVATIVE)
Douglas Ross (CONSERVATIVE)
Lee Rowley (CONSERVATIVE)
Amber Rudd (CONSERVATIVE)
David Rutley (CONSERVATIVE)
Antoinette Sandbach (CONSERVATIVE)
Paul Scully (CONSERVATIVE)
Bob Seely (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Selous (CONSERVATIVE)
Alok Sharma (CONSERVATIVE)
Alec Shelbrooke (CONSERVATIVE)
Keith Simpson (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Skidmore (CONSERVATIVE)
Chloe Smith (CONSERVATIVE)
Henry Smith (CONSERVATIVE)
Julian Smith (CONSERVATIVE)
Royston Smith (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Spencer (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Stephenson (CONSERVATIVE)
John Stevenson (CONSERVATIVE)
Bob Stewart (CONSERVATIVE)
Iain Stewart (CONSERVATIVE)
Rory Stewart (CONSERVATIVE)
Gary Streeter (CONSERVATIVE)
Mel Stride (CONSERVATIVE)
Graham Stuart (CONSERVATIVE)
Julian Sturdy (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Syms (CONSERVATIVE)
Derek Thomas (CONSERVATIVE)
Ross Thomson (CONSERVATIVE)
Maggie Throup (CONSERVATIVE)
Kelly Tolhurst (CONSERVATIVE)
Craig Tracey (CONSERVATIVE)
David Tredinnick (CONSERVATIVE)
Anne-Marie Trevelyan (CONSERVATIVE)
Tom Tugendhat (CONSERVATIVE)
Edward Vaizey (CONSERVATIVE)
Shailesh Vara (CONSERVATIVE)
Charles Walker (CONSERVATIVE)
Robin Walker (CONSERVATIVE)
Ben Wallace (CONSERVATIVE)
David Warburton (CONSERVATIVE)
Matt Warman (CONSERVATIVE)
Giles Watling (CONSERVATIVE)
Helen Whately (CONSERVATIVE)
Craig Whittaker (CONSERVATIVE)
Bill Wiggin (CONSERVATIVE)
Gavin Williamson (CONSERVATIVE)
Mike Wood (CONSERVATIVE)
William Wragg (CONSERVATIVE)
Jeremy Wright (CONSERVATIVE)
Gregory Campbell (DUP)
Nigel Dodds (DUP)
Sir Jeffrey M. Donaldson (DUP)
Paul Girvan (DUP)
Ian Paisley (DUP)
Emma Little Pengelly (DUP)
Gavin Robinson (DUP)
Jim Shannon (DUP)
David Simpson (DUP)
Sammy Wilson (DUP)

Either way, they’re all wankers. They cut money to essential public services and are (hopefully) now realising just how important those services are.
“We are all in it together” - for the moment. How come they have just written off £13bn of nhs debt? If it was that easy to find the money, why the hell wasnt it done sooner? Oh yeah, they need those services now I just hope they remember this once it’s all over. I doubt it, but 🤷‍♀️

They wrote it off for the same reason there will have to be a global write off of debt, ffs!

Global virus, global recession.

The NHS is under funded. However, even if the NHS was fully funded, they still wouldn’t be able to cope with the current situation because the pandemic exceeds normal admissions. All health services across the world are suffering with the pandemic, no matter how well funded they are.

I think I'm just so pissed off that years of NHS and other public service cuts have come home to roost and now we are all stuck in lockdown to protect an over-stretched and underfunded service!
Because no other countries are in lockdown at the moment...

Nothing is making me happier that I voted Tory than these moronic threads.
Thank

Thanks for sharing OP. I have seen this shared on Facebook but others may not have.

For those asking- the point of sharing this is so that people can remember this when they vote at the next general election. The tories have consistently cut NHS services over the past 10 years. I am an NHS nurse and have seen people die as a clear result of services being cut.

Please, please do not vote this party in again. We need consideration to be given to higher rates of taxation on high earners and greater investment in public services to stop being dying.

The clapping for the NHS is starting to make me feel sick when I look at the cuts to the services around me at work, and how it could have been different. The damage has been done over the past 10 years, this is why people are dying unnecessarily now. It’s not because Janet at number 10 went for a walk twice and sat on a bench in the park for 5 minutes.

The government are trying to turn the public against each other to detract from their failings. We obviously need to follow the guidance and stay safe, but if the government really believed more needed to be done to save lives they would enforce a complete lockdown. People would still be dying. It is preferable for them to minimise the restrictions and blame the people so the people done blame them.

@ceibatree Ha! Ok, that's me told. Will fact check better in future! I think I'm just so pissed off that years of NHS and other public service cuts have come home to roost and now we are all stuck in lockdown to protect an over-stretched and underfunded service!

So why has every other country gone into lockdown?

Indeed.
The NHS has shown it's importance to us now.

Let's hope that when this is over, the ones of us that can 'afford' to pay a bit more in tax will do so for the NHS and social care. Perhaps the tax avoiders etc who actually have huge incomes (companies and individuals) will be made to pay... close all the loopholes. Money earnt in this country should be taxed here and the tax used for the benefit of the country.

the point of sharing this is so that people can remember this when they vote at the next general election then at least be aware of the truth behind it.

It was not a vote against giving the NHS a pay rise. It was a vote against an amendment to the Queen's speech. If you do not believe me Google it...

If you want to persuade anyone to not vote Tory then get the facts straight, or you undo yourself, completely.

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"“We are all in it together” - for the moment. How come they have just written off £13bn of nhs debt? If it was that easy to find the money, why the hell wasnt it done sooner? Oh yeah, they need those services now hmm I just hope they remember this once it’s all over. I doubt it, but 🤷‍♀️"

Indeed, the money to write off the £13bn NHS debt was found. There wouldn't have been that much debt if it was funded better in the first place.......
It will be interesting to see if things change after this ... or not....

So why has every other country gone into lockdown?

But we had the 'luxury' of seeing this play out in other countries in advance, and the UK government did not close borders or enact social distancing until it was too late. We had in effect the gift of hindsight and did not use it. It was only when it was realised that the NHS in its decimated state would not cope that decisive action was taken.

What makes me annoyed are the recent cuts in capital gains tax and inheritance tax. Not big money raisers but only paid by the wealthy. At the same time as pitiful increases to health and education budgets.

That's nothing to do with coronavirus though. And those who didn't care before, won't care after.

What annoys me most about these bullshit posts is that there are so many actually true things that can be shared to show how shit the Government is, and how badly the Opposition has let us down.

It stops genuine conversations about improvement from happening, as it just gets dismissed with “Fake News” and then descends into Party politics.

The conservatives aren’t my cup of tea, but there are some genuinely decent individuals working for real change, so it doesn’t make sense to write of all Tories as bastards. Likewise, while Labour has some good concepts, they definitely aren’t all sunshine and unicorn farts and there’s little evidence to show we’d have been much better prepared for this if we’d had a Labour government in charge. (Everyone can sit from the sofa and say “Well I bet I could have done it better”. It’s unprovable and unhelpful).

The best way forward is more nuanced and requires genuine challenge, but sharing this over the top partisan drivel that isn’t even true just shuts down conversation before it can even start.

It was only when it was realised that the NHS in its decimated state would not cope that decisive action was taken.

Have you actually looked at the other countries where healthcare is funded differently? They're ALL struggling to cope, doesn't matter where the money comes from.

I think I'm just so pissed off that years of NHS and other public service cuts have come home to roost and now we are all stuck in lockdown to protect an over-stretched and underfunded service

Which would have been no different if we had paid nurses more, or increased taxes to 80% to pour into the drain that is the NHS.

It needs reforming. Look at Germany. Everyone saying how wonderful it is, and that they spend more money on it. Yes, great. I wouldn't mind spending more money to get that level of service, but guess what, the healthcare is provided by private companies.

@CeibaTree

NHS (Though funding for the Department of Health and Social Care) budgets rose by 1.4 per cent each year on average (adjusting for inflation) in the 10 years between 2009/10 to 2018/19.
Read that carefully... that's extra spending, so no where near a 'cut'.

Source www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget

@ceibatree so if we gave nurses a pay rise (I'm not suggesting they don't deserve it) then the lockdown is unnecessary and we're just copying other countries for the fun of it?!

I’m shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that MPs of the party in government voted down an opposition amendment to the queen’s speech. Next you’ll be telling me that they’ve thought up a system of enforcing MPs voting on important matters, and specifically appoint people in each party to make sure they do. It’s outrageous and I demand an immediate protest march.

The left showing their typical intellect again, I see

I feel like anyone who votes Tory is not a good person.

The nastiest, vilest people on social media are the left. Go On Twitter if you don’t believe me

VladmirsPoutine That is just as ridiculous as saying that everyone who votes labour is an anti-Semite and a misogynist. People really are choosing the best of a bad bunch at the moment and although I wouldn’t choose Conservative, I can see why someone might see them as the “least-worst” option locally.

And now the Scottish government (Jean someone, sorry, her name didn't come up) is giving credence to "Scottish NHS supplies to care homes being diverted to the English" it will, she said, be investigated.

So a journalist says 'they have been told...' and rather than diffuse it, maybe it's going to where be it is most needed, rather than Scotland is being robbed, it will be investigated... I think Sturgeon repeated that too.

THIS is why people are scared and angry. Journalists fan the flames and it is impossible for any minister to refute, rebutt as they have to be seen to be doing everything they can. Meanwhile the headlines run..

Sturgeon says she will investigate English theft of Scottish PPE they cry.

And again there will be a lot of take up on social media...

Dyrne I happen to think a party that's been in power for the best part of a decade and has slashed budgets across all social care fields and still acts as though they are 'for the people' is bullshit. There is an alternative - one which involves all quarters of society; particularly the most vulnerable are looked after. Not assuming that just because you're fine and pulled up your boot straps everyone equally can do the same. If you're part of the establishment of course you don't see that things could be better as they work for you fine. By the way I'm not referring you when I use the term "you".

It would benefit political discourse in this country if we could stop demonising each other and focus on the policies. Politicians (both in government and the opposition) are only as good as the public holding them to account. If we spend all our time criticising the other side of the political spectrum as either stupid or evil, rather than focusing on the issues, we all lose.