To think policing is pretty poor in this country?

[EasyPleasey]

I'm sure there are lots of excellent and well meaning individual police officers. However, my dealings with them in the past decade have been:

1. Reported a sexual assault. CCTV available, public area. Case closed not investigated.

2. Reported a burglary. Very likely suspect told to them, they didnt investigate, they didnt have time, case closed.

3. Spent ages writing to them about suspected fraud on a now deceased person. Never followed up by police.

4. Reported a fraudulent car sale/theft complete with names and addresses, nothing done.

5. Reported regular criminal damage to private property, some teenagers smashing outdoor lights and garden furniture in my road, £1000s of damage. Police said it's worse in other areas and did nothing.

But now I see police loitering round Tesco enforcing that one puts 'non essential' socks in their trolley, harassing people for using their front garden, I think where did they find all this time? Maybe a lot actually enjoy having the power to order people around, but solving crimes isnt a passion for many of them?

It should have stopped long ago. The very ones who without the badge would be behind bars themselves because they got their own job wrong. It was no-one else who told them to make stuff up, and if they did, why didn't they clarify? A fundamental part of the job I thought.

Some can never forget. They shouldn't be silenced.

When did we start silencing victims? This to me speaks absolute volumes, and I think it does for many. If it doesn't, then maybe you are part of the problem. Don't like hearing this? Then what are you going to do about it, because you cannot silence people? Why should we see it happen again and again and not speak out? Why should people stop talking about these things? As victims, it helps, the more you talk about it.

How do I know this, yet those who should be there in times of emergency don't? Of course, they cannot know everything, but surely they should know the basics? Doesn't anyone feel ashamed? Not thought about maybe using that device you carry, and discreetly get clarification? Happens all the time in every other sector. Ask a colleague, double-check. Come to think of it happens in all walks of life.

When did we start victimising the victims? And if you think you are a victim because your colleague did their job illegally, well yea, so we have heard. Still waiting for a logical explanation about that one.

Those who were somehow involved in the deaths of innocent people somehow got away with it. Early retirement. Bit of unpaid leave. Nothing really happened to them. They got away with murder. It's bad enough it happened once maybe 30 years (chances are it did). Or a hundred years before that. Or still happens to be honest.

I really don't know how people can say that's okay because they made a mistake. How can that be justified? To get away with the involvement of the death of an innocent person? They shouldn't be clearing the CRB checks, let's be honest. Many wouldn't if the law applied to them.

And this is where management comes in. What is their excuse for not doing their job?

Someone has to start somewhere. I'm waiting for that day for it to become obvious to the rest of it.

And it is such a shame because, without those trying to fight from within, I don't really want to think about.
Those are the good ones. We need. more of them. Instead, they are driven out. Often destroyed, or almost destroyed.

And you can see why. We all see the opposition they see, and for those, it is far worse. Yet here we are. My respect for them. At least they tried and thanks. Maybe one day hey?

They weren't looking for a social gathering. The officer clearly states, they had a report of a disturbance.

Count the officers attending.

Now imagine they'd been called to a report of domestic violence.

Public now given permission - no, instructed - to confront neighbours they feel are breaching lockdown rules. No doubt plenty of additional harassment on the way for women and ethnic/religious minorities.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/04/13/tell-neighbours-breach-lockdown-rules-say-police/

From the article:

Police are advising the public to tell off people guilty of “one-off” breaches of the lockdown rulesrather than report them to their force.

The move follows claims thatsome forces have been inundated with calls and reportsabout people flouting the restrictions with many including minor breaches such as neighbours going on two runs in a day.

It has, however, provoked concerns from civil liberty groups that it could damage community and neighbourly relations if people start taking each other to task forminor infractions of the rules.

@PicsinRed

I guarantee there will be a “clarification” on this before close of play tonight.

Statistician999

I surely do look forward to question time at tonight's presser.

Should be a doozy. 😂

Honestly, if this was part of a pandemic movie script (in the Beforetimes), it would have been rejected as "ridiculous, would never happen, no police force could ever, possibly be that thick".

I guarantee there will be a “clarification” on this before close of play tonight.

Slocombes second law of headlines states that the public never remember the clarification after a headline. Ever. It's how modern "news" and politics works. Bash out "the message" - even if it's a bald faced lie (who remembers Boris pointing at the cameras saying "there are no cameras here" ?) as a headline. That's what the public will remember and discuss. You can then issue a "clarification" that no one will read or remember to avoid being called liars.

Used to be a round in a pub quiz I ran

I surely do look forward to question time at tonight's presser.

Be prepared for disappointment ...

Public now given permission - no, instructed - to confront neighbours they feel are breaching lockdown rules That will not end well...tensions are high in the communities - people are scared and you can see it here on MN how completely unbalanced and feral people are becoming. So stupid of the police to issue that advice - they seem to have lost a few brain cells recently.

That will not end well...tensions are high in the communities - people are scared and you can see it here on MN how completely unbalanced and feral people are becoming. So stupid of the police to issue that advice - they seem to have lost a few brain cells recently.

I wonder if more people will be killed by people than C-19 ? Might be something to aspire to. We have to be good at something.

I think the police forget that there are still quite a few firearms - shotguns and rifles - held legally in the UK. But they're about to have a reminder.

I think the police forget that there are still quite a few firearms - shotguns and rifles - held legally in the UK. But they're about to have a reminder. I think they have no clue how scared and angry people are - some people literally feel that any minor breach of guidelines (not even laws) is going to kill them and their loved ones. I've had to leave the local facegroup it had become so bloody full of angry pitchfork waving terrified individuals - it will spill over into real life and the police are not helping.

I didn't think the police officer who came and told me dh had died of a heart attack a couple of years ago did a good job unfortunately. She told me as she walked through the door and i was standing there in shock. Didnt suggest i sit down or anything. I ended up offering her a drink. No kindness, sympathy or support. I remember me and my sister trying to decide whether to pick the kids up from school straightaway or let them finish their day and she said "I don't know, I've never been in that situation." Just some basic human kindness/support would have gone a long way. She was asking me a bunch of questions about when we moved here and what his job was. I'm not sure why that's relevant.

@Celandines that's not good and I'm very sorry for your loss.

Death messages are one of the hardest parts of being a police officer (in my opinion), and all depends on the person and how sympathetic / empathetic they naturally are - they can tell you what to say but not how to deal with your emotions (or lack thereof). I burst into tears during my first one which is the total opposite of your experience but also not a helpful or professional way to deliver it.

I suppose she might have been good at other aspects of policing but not that particularly

Thanks anyway

I'm with you op. I've spoken with two different police officers in the past 24 hours: first one just 'got it'. Understood that my ex was exhibiting signs of coercive control. Urged me to call back if things got worse.

Called them back today because things had got worse and spoke to a mra jobsworth who basically told me off for following the guidance the first officer had given me. There's just no consistency - even with all the training they've had on DA. Makes you feel ridiculous for even daring to believe they actually cared.

To be honest @JorisBonson, i'd sooner see a police officer in tears in those circumstances than at the other extreme. I'm a big fan of Brene Brown's mission to change how vulnerability is viewed in all workplaces and areas of life.

Oh I agree @rufflecrow (mostly because I'm a bit sap and I cry at everything!) but I think it's all down to the person. DP is also a police officer and had been for 16 years; he's only cried about work once in that time as it's just the sort of person he is. I couldn't tell you how many times I've cried!

There's just no consistency - even with all the training they've had on DA. Makes you feel ridiculous for even daring to believe they actually cared. sad

So out of the two officers you’ve dealt with, why do you choose to believe they’re all like the second one rather than the first?

He might have been the only jobsworth in the force, while the rest are all like the first who “got it”.

Policing has come a long way and there are now checks and balances, as someone mentioned same as the NHS. You can complain, there is a standards department to investigate complaints.

There isn’t really another job where the people you are trying to help hate you for it. Especially if it’s because they judge you on the crap colleague everyone hates- and every office has one of those. Must be an impossible job.

I feel like you're putting words in my mouth. I never said they were all like the second (female) officer. I said it was luck of the draw and lacked consistency and I stand by that.

So out of the two officers you’ve dealt with, why do you choose to believe they’re all like the second one rather than the first?

Oh come on. She did not say that. She expressed that the force as a whole were letting her down, which is accurate, not that every single officer is like the 2nd one.

You can complain

Don't put the onus on the victims to complain. They're dealing with too much already - and frankly the volume of female dissatisfaction with the quality of police service would indicate that the police must surely know there is an issue. If the police as a whole wanted to put it right, they would have done so already.

There isn’t really another job where the people you are trying to help hate you for it.

There are loads of jobs like that. Police aren't special in that respect.

Must be an impossible job.

No more so than many other jobs. Actually enforcing the actual law (and not enforcing opinions and made up laws) would stand them in good stead to the job being less "impossible".

Public now given permission - no, instructed - to confront neighbours they feel are breaching lockdown rules

Oh, interesting.

I'm now on the side of the bent coppers and chums.

You were right all along. Awesome. You have all been extremely helpful.

And I actually mean it. The tables have just turned.

And this time, you can blame the top. Nothing to do with that individual officer who had an accident that involved the loss of life. Oops, yeah what was I thinking cannot talk about it.

Policing has come a long way and there are now checks and balances, as someone mentioned same as the NHS. You can complain, there is a standards department to investigate complaints.

Really? I see little improvement to be honest.

Look at the long-standing, deeply ingrained racism. All we ever hear to talk talk talk. Yet look at official records, oh what was that?

Over a year 24% of stop and search were of white people. All the rest people of colour.

These figures have hardly changed over the years unless they were falsely recorded. For decades it's been the same the message on loop. Those figures weren't from 10 years ago. Those from 2018-2019

So how have things improved because from where many are sitting, there has been no improvement?

For comparison, I picked a year and googled - stop and search 2011 by mistake. And the first thing popped up was posted 6th December 2011. It's an interesting article about the riots earlier that year.

www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/dec/06/stop-and-search

There isn’t really another job where the people you are trying to help hate you for it.

Really. And what about those serving in the Armed Forces?
Customer service staff
Education
NHS
Salespeople
Charity workers

Tbh I put no thought into those.

But that sentence goes to further demonstrate just how some people really aren't in touch with reality.

ProfessorSlocombe

They probably thought they were attending a domestic violence. Most reports of a disturbances in an address turn out to be domestic in nature.

Not sure the point you're making.

@MogeatDog I got booted out of a local fb group for pointing out that

a. not everything can be done online. re things like prescriptions.

b. trips out to get food and electric ARE essential trips.

c. he said that because ppl didnt stay in it was badly affecting vulnerable people. I pointed out that a lot of people who ARE vulnerable are HAVING to go out because they cant get prescriptions or food. And put up links to tweets from people asking for help. His reaction? "oh its on twitter so it must be true"

So i pointed out that one minute he was calling them vulnerable. The next he was calling them liars!!!

He then began putting the laughing face on my posts and started gaslighting.

There are some very abusive people out there who will use their faux concerns about vulnerable people as an excuse to try and control others.

What the police have done there (cited in that Telegraph article) is hand more control over to abusers.