To think policing is pretty poor in this country?

[EasyPleasey]

I'm sure there are lots of excellent and well meaning individual police officers. However, my dealings with them in the past decade have been:

1. Reported a sexual assault. CCTV available, public area. Case closed not investigated.

2. Reported a burglary. Very likely suspect told to them, they didnt investigate, they didnt have time, case closed.

3. Spent ages writing to them about suspected fraud on a now deceased person. Never followed up by police.

4. Reported a fraudulent car sale/theft complete with names and addresses, nothing done.

5. Reported regular criminal damage to private property, some teenagers smashing outdoor lights and garden furniture in my road, £1000s of damage. Police said it's worse in other areas and did nothing.

But now I see police loitering round Tesco enforcing that one puts 'non essential' socks in their trolley, harassing people for using their front garden, I think where did they find all this time? Maybe a lot actually enjoy having the power to order people around, but solving crimes isnt a passion for many of them?

here is the massive difference (with the NHS). From the time things start to go wrong, they are a lot more supportive. Even Pals. And even when things go really wrong something happens

You're right, it does - and occasionally that something can be an all-too-convenient "losing" of the notes, as happened when they killed my late FIL with a glaring medication error

So bad was it that a doctor offered a fulsome verbal apology to the family on the spot, but as soon as questions were asked later the whole thing was closed down

Appalling of course, but do I tar every other NHS worker with the same brush?
No, I don't

Hate crime is a big problem.

Nowhere near as big as hate non crime, from the Harry Miller response.

@Neron Not tarnishing an entire service. Not at all. I've said i've had some great support from the Police. I also questioned the faults in the CPS in not following through on cases which is not the fault of the Police. So I acknowedge the role the CPS play in not prosecuting despite the Police Officers hard work.

Lots of assumptions on this thread about thinking posters are saying all Police Officers are shit or abusive or neglectful and that has not been said at all.

It is not the same, however as a Dr. Drs are often treated as having greater powers than they do which has led to abuse and neglect but the option to request a second opinion and have any allegations investigated is always there and they have the PALS servive or GMC you can report to if you think they were wrong/abusive/negligent.

Requesting 'a second opinion' is very common and a well known option.

Because a Drs 'opinion' is just that. An opinion that can be challenged. They are NOT saying, this is law.

Most people take what the Police have told them AS law or 100% fact. Because..they're the ones enforcing the law. So if you are treated as if you have no complaint, or it might be you that's in the wrong, you think that's the law, not an opinion.

And that's where the Police powers come in even if they're 'wrong'. If you call the Police to report your partner is abusing you and you're told there's nothing they can do about it or in some cases, blame YOU for it.

Where do you go? They represent the law that's supposed to protect you. Ergo, no-one can so just put up and shut up.

RedDogs - many officers believe the College of Policing narrative that hate incidents are a useful barometer of threat towards certain vulnerable groups. So they record them as required by policy and take whatever action they think is best (usually none, other than recording them) because they genuinely believe they are helping to protect the vulnerable. In many forces hate incidents are often dealt with at source (i.e. by a civilian call handler) so quite often it's only hate crime that gets as far as an officer. Therefore most police officers I know think the Harry Miller case is a one-off example. They don't think about hate incidents that much in general as it represents very little of their workload.

Now that the Police Constable Degree Apprenticeships have come in, with the lower salary, it will mainly attract young people without mortgages or families to support. That's not a bad thing. The young members of my team possess an idealism, enthuiasm and victim focus which is wonderful. But none of them (and nationally I'd think this is probably much the same) have very much idea of what it's petsonally like to try to feed your children for a week off a fiver, or what it's like to be put in emergency accommodation having fled your home. And being young they've had less life experience of spotting skilled manipulators. They learn this as they go along, many well. But we should remember that 70-80% off response officers are in their first two years. They may well see the charming calm manipulator as the victim til they have a bit more experience.

Appalling of course, but do I tar every other NHS worker with the same brush?
No, I don't

And neither do I. Cannot speak for everyone else.
There are excellent ones. I do talk about them.

But like every profession there are bad seeds.
Those bad seeds without that badge in fat too many cases would have served prosecution. Not just an oopsie.

That’s not just the bad seed. For this stuff to constantly happen over decades and no changes made. That is the force as a whole who is allowing that to happen.

If they cannot get it right within their own ranks how can we trust them? If they did their job correctly and were held accountable then the entire force would get my trust.

Why aren’t we allowed to decide if they have broken laws?
We don’t need personal details. Just all the details from all sides. It’s not like the general public have limited understanding of comprehension.
And based on what know as a legal crime we decide oopsie or more.

Lots of assumptions on this thread about thinking posters are saying all Police Officers are shit or abusive or neglectful and that has not been said at all

There has been a lot of 'they' 'them' 'the police...' on this thread. Just look at the first page alone where they are likened to school bullies in the first comment.

If I came on here and referred to nurses as 'they' or nursing as a general group of people when discussing the flaws of a few and insulting them as a whole, I'd be rightly told to stop tarring people with the same brush.

In reality, people on this thread have had bad experiences with an individual, the CPS or one of the other reasons mentioned previously, lack of funding etc... not an entire group of people who mostly work damn hard and would probably be rightly pissed to see comments like 'what do they even do all day?' and various others on here.

So yes, there has been a lot of tarring on this thread.

I don't for one second doubt people have had poor, awful experiences with individual PCs. There will be corrupt, horrid people working within the police force just as with any other profession and I am genuinely appalled for those people. But yes, a lot of comments on here have been referring to they as an entire group of police officers and it is not right or fair.

They’re like those teachers at school who cosied up to the violent bullies because they were terrified of them

where were they before? What are they doing?

There is a reason why a certain type of person becomes a police officer

But all of a sudden they've got resources to throw their weight around

Yes, I do think they are shit

What do they do all day?

And I'm just on page 4 so yeah.. there has been tarring.

Similar experience here, sadly. West Yorkshire police.
I reported an assault, they did nothing. We had the car registration plate and a description, they said they couldn’t do anything without CCTV. My DH found out that the car had no MOT/insurance - if he could do this online, why couldn’t they? They seemed surprised when we told them, so they clearly had done nothing.
I had to chase them twice to find out what was happening. Case closed.

A friend of ours said they had CCTV of an incident, and the police still did nothing.
So even when you’re doing some of the job for them, nothing happens.

Sadly, all it did was make me realise that the police don’t have the time/money/resources/inclination to investigate anything small, so I don’t care so much about being such a law abiding citizen now. The whole thing has left me an angrier person.

Just seen this WTF!!!!!!!!!!

twitter.com/BanTheBBC/status/1249598512427347969?s=20

@TomHardysCBBC Have YOU even read the thread? There are plenty of examples where people HAVE tarred the police as a whole so much more than an assumption. Little has kindly pulled some of those examples for you.

With regarding to people listening to the police - er they do GPs/Dr's etc. Ever tried escalating anything in the NHS? You cannot just go to PALS, as with everything there is a protocol, but that's not what we're discussing here.

My problem with threads like this, are the people tarring a whole service, proclaiming how shit they are and passing critique when in reality they wouldn't have the balls to sign up and try and do the job. I've never been in the police as I've said, but from my friends and family that are, fuck me would I do their job. In fact why would anyone sign up to put my life on the line protect the ungrateful, clearly know better, public.

CatOnLaptop many officers believe the College of Policing narrative that hate incidents are a useful barometer of threat towards certain vulnerable groups. So they record them as required by policy and take whatever action they think is best (usually none, other than recording them) because they genuinely believe they are helping to protect the vulnerable

Hmm, funnily enough it seems only one particular group is deemed worthy by the Police in the recording or otherwise of these hate incidents, as you stated one group in particular of very vulnerable people, the disabled, receive not one fraction of the support this other sacred caste receive. Of course women aren't considered important enough to be deemed vulnerable or oppressed in the current league table, we don't even merit an entry, threats of rape and death, stalking and harassment towards women on Twitter and in other forms from members of the number one special protected group and when reported to the Police what happens - tumbleweed.

More critical thinking is required from the Police as a whole but especially the College of Policing, plus the politicisation of the Police needs urgently to be reversed.

@CatOnLaptop @DontBuyLangClegCashmere @JorisBonson @Pigletthedog @HopefullyAnonymous

Hope you don't mind question but would you recommend joining as a PC at the moment to someone considering it? What would you advise?

Just seen this WTF!!!!!!!!!!

Looking for social gatherings Christ sake 🤔🤣
Utterly clueless.

the politicisation of the Police needs urgently to be reversed

Good luck with that; you're right of course, but when the agenda-mongers get their teeth into any organisation they're not noticeably keen to let go

@HeIenaDove

That's the exact abuse of power and smarminess I expect from British Police. Good on the guy for giving them what for "20 grand a year to be a nobhead" 😂

IMO i think he MAY have an ongoing dispute with a neighbour who has maybe phoned the police and made a malicious report

But you could totally see this coming with these "snitch lines" for want o a better description.

I don't think it's so much "tarring them all with the same brush", I know there are good ones out there. It's pointing out the glaringly obvious culture issues within the police that time and again let people down and cause lives to end. Rotherham is a perfect example - your every day bobby calling child sex abuse victims "slags" and ignoring hundreds of reports of child sex trafficking over many years. There were some who tried to push it - but when you're beaten down by the majority and halted by every higher power, their efforts were futile.

This damaging culture still exists, many of us can recognise that and I for one won't apologise for pointing it out.

The failure of the Glasgow senior police to do anything meaningful to address the Romany child sex (paedophile/rape) traffickers operating in broad daylight, including downtown, is disgraceful. There's a lot of utterly wanton dereliction of duty that most people just don't know about - and if they did they be just as disgusted.

Years ago (in the 90s) my parents ran a pub. Some blokes walked in one day, while it was open, ripped the pay phone off the wall and walked out the fire door. They drove straight to our village shop where one of them distracted the woman on the counter and the other when behind the counter a filled a bag with cigarettes. They then nicked the pay phone from the other pub in the village and then drove to the next village and repeated their little crime spree. They were well known in the area and to the police. When we (and the other victims) reported it and handed over cctv footage, the police said they knew them too but they weren't going to do anything because they wanted to wait "until they commit a real crime"

PicsInRed

They weren't looking for a social gathering. The officer clearly states, they had a report of a disturbance.

Without knowing the content of the call it's difficult to fully ascertain what occurred. However, the Police were using a legal power to enter under section 17 of PACE.

Good luck with that; you're right of course, but when the agenda-mongers get their teeth into any organisation they're not noticeably keen to let go

I agree Puzzledandpissedoff, I hope that the tide will turn, if it doesn't it will destroy the notion of policing by consent.

Oh we're meant to be GRATEFUL for shitty Policing are we? And not question shitty Policing because that's suggesting we think we know better?. And we can't complain unless we'd want to do the job ourselves?

Righto.

As someone upthread said, its not tarring all with the same brush, its questioning the widespread cultures in regards to racism, gender based violence/sexual exploitation, corruption and misuse of powers.

Reports commissioned by the Police themselves report large scale lack of investigation into allegations of corruption or shitty Policing and a lack of confidence in their own officers to report it due to officers fearing it won't be treated in confidence or investigated thoroughly by superiors and that reporting could damage their own careers.

That was half of 17,200 officers surveyed. If 50% of the force don't trust the Police to investigate shitty Policing or corruption, why on earth would the public? And why on earth should we be grateful?

We have the one of the lowest per capita number of police in Europe, only Scandinavia countries are lower and yet we have a denser population. I believe we and Ireland are the only non armed police force. Added to this the are laws which are difficult to prove. So the police really are the last in a long chain you should be complaining about

And just think there is no one anywhere talking about if people can or not use their gardens, even though they can maintain social distancing. And of course, if they are, everything in that vein is also a load of jackanory.

Don't know why I bothered to post. Some tales come from real-life things, that get twisted and interpreted and translated along the way. Quite a few with sequels, some simply get retold, in their own narrative?

@TheSkyIsFallingIn123 precisely!

And people saying "you wouldn't say that about nurses" - the nursing profession doesn't have widespread cultural problems regarding racism, sexism, over zealous use of force and corruption. They don't have the powers to unlawfully detain someone or kick their door down for no good reason. And despite the serious lack of funding also present in nursing, they still manage to have empathy with their patients (I can't quite believe people are citing lack of funding as an excuse for bad police attitudes). They are also woefully underpaid but manage not to lie to the public they deal with, Male unnecessary threats and pick and choose what they deem as worthy of their time (police will easily dismiss a rape or violence accusation but will bang in your door over a poem you tweeted).