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AIBU?

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To think these toddler tantrums can’t be normal?

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Nosleeptoddler · 13/04/2020 08:40

DS is 3.4. He has terrible tantrums. Every day, at least 3 - often up to 10+ on a bad day. At least 1 or 2 of them will go on for 45mins+ and involve screaming and rolling around in the floor. He is lucid enough to know he is tantrumming (he’ll often scream “I’M NOT SCREAMING”) but cannot seem to stop. He never hits or breaks anything it’s just screaming and throwing himself about.

This has been going on every single day since he turned 2. He (normally) goes to nursery 3 hours a day and is perfectly behaved there - it’s only at home that he tantrums.

I know that toddlers have tantrums, but this just seems so extreme and is ruining our family life (we have younger DD, 14mo). I have scoured lists of adhd/Asd signs and nothing seems to fit but I feel like something has to be going on, I read articles about when to be concerned and it says things like “if this is happening more than twice a week”. Twice a week! I’d be lucky if it happened less than twice a day!

AIBU to think there must be something going on?

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TheSoapyFrog · 13/04/2020 17:53

He sounds exactly like my son. He's 5 and a half now and has outgrown his dreadful tantrums thankfully. He was assessed for potential behavioral problems when he was about 3, but they said it was just his personality! He is a little delayed in some areas and he didn't speak until he was 3. But they started easing up when he started school.

Toombumber · 13/04/2020 19:23

My daughter was like this (and worse). I really recommend a book called The Explosive Child. Try to be a rock of calm and love throughout. I know it's really hard.

TudorRoses · 13/04/2020 21:53

Having read what the OP says, and that her ds doesn't seem to fit any of the behaviours mentioned by other pp's (and since I have two friends who have sons with ASD so I have seen some cracking meltdowns before), I still think that it is more likely that this is attention-seeking behaviour. Especially as he seems to be able to control these tantrums in other settings, and only does it at home.

I'm sure that for many, ignoring such behaviour would not be suitable (I agree that there is no 'one-size-fits-all' method) but there is no harm in the OP trying.

LittleBearPad · 13/04/2020 22:06

Is he still going to nursery at the moment? If not, he’s probably very confused and trying to control what he can. I wouldn’t ignore him unless you do figure out it’s attention seeking.

He may just be completely confused. He’s only three and being three can be tough. It’s also the answer to a lot of crappy behaviour.

BertieBotts · 13/04/2020 22:36

Reward shop is lovely but I suspect a bit advanced for a 3.5 year old. We did a token economy with DS1 at around 5 or 6 with great success! At 3 in terms of rewards what worked was keeping it absolutely simple - he could earn "stars" for good behaviour, and when he had five, he could get a magazine. It stopped him pestering me for magazines every time we went to a shop, the stars weren't for any one specific behaviour but I'd sort of rig it so that he would end up with five about once every 1-2 weeks. I'd award one when I noticed him do something I was trying to encourage or that I knew he struggled with, sometimes I'd use them as motivation (e.g. help me carry the shopping home and you can have a star), sometimes he'd ask me if he could have a star for something he thought he'd done well and I'd usually say yes if he wasn't taking the P :)

And yes I am aware of extrinsic vs intrinsic motivation, but if you have a child who is often getting negative feedback for whatever reason, it is SO important to remind yourself to keep up the positive. If that ends up being extrinsic, so be it. I don't think it is an issue unless you are using it constantly for every little thing (which most people aren't).

I don't think there is much sense in worrying about diagnostics or neurodiversity type issues. At his age it's extremely unlikely anything would be diagnosed anyway, because there is so much overlap between ordinary, age-appropriate toddler behaviour which is the result in a not-yet-developed skill, and a slower than usual development of a skill which is related to some kind of disorder. You can really only separate it out when they are older, and really it doesn't make a difference right now anyway, because it wouldn't change any way that you should approach this. So I would not spend a long time focusing on lists of ASD or ADHD or this or that symptoms, especially of children who are younger than diagnostic age. When he's five or six, if you and he are still struggling, particularly once he's had about 6-12 months (or more) to get used to school, bring it up with the class teacher and potentially speak to SENCO, but right now the most important thing is to look at the child you have, the skills you feel he is lacking and work with that. If you feel that he does not behave because he can't, then go with that instinct, don't do something you instinctively feel is wrong just because "everyone" says well you must not be firm enough or you are letting him run rings around you.

I am not so sure about the idea to try "mainstream parenting ideas" for a month and see how you go. OK, it's a fair suggestion, if you don't feel you've implemented something consistently and you want to give it a go. Mainstream is mainstream because it works for the majority, after all. And absolutely if that's the case, crack out the 123 Magic or Supernanny and give it a proper go. But my guess/intuition from your post is that you've tried the mainstream things and they don't seem to be working, so you are now looking to well - could it be something else? It is natural to wonder, but if you could have a crystal ball and look at him in 10 years' time and be able to know whether he has this or that, would it actually be of any use to you now? Not really, because there is no such advice as ASD parenting for toddlers, because toddlers are generally not diagnosed with ASD. I suppose it allows you to have that understanding and cameraderie with other ASD parents - BTW, if you do want this, you would not be unwelcome on the SN Parenting boards here on MN, they are just out of active because it's easier that way, but you can opt-in if you go into Preferences, or navigate to them directly from the topic list. But what is useful to know is that the skills-based parenting and the non-coercive types of parenting like RIE and many (but not all) aspects of things like Attachment Parenting are all "friendly" towards neurodiverse children as well as neurotypical children. That is why it is a useful approach to look at.

CherryPavlova · 13/04/2020 23:48

Three and a half year olds understand concept of buying, if they are given opportunities. They can often recognise numbers and count buttons. Especially the bright ones - and the description is of a bright child.

Nosleeptoddler · 14/04/2020 08:06

Oh yes he can verbally count to 100 and recognise written numbers to 20. He loves money and change and buying things and will always pay using my contactless card when we go to the shops (back when we did such things!). He has a little cash register at home and loves playing shopkeeper, so reward shop would definitely work. @BertieBotts your chart idea is basically what we’ve been doing (but with small paw patrol toys as reward) and he loves it. I don’t care if it’s extrinsic motivation, it works!!

I think Bertie is right (and thank you, your posts are so enormously helpful). As always, listening to your instincts is usually right when it comes to your kids.

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Dee1975 · 14/04/2020 23:07

Sounds like my DD. From 18 months plus - terriable meltdowns. Multiple times a day. Yet perfect at nursery / school. I researched and she didn’t / didn’t have any classic signs of ASD. We were at our witts end. Finally got a referral at the age of 6 after she had a violent period and finally diagnosed with ASD when she was 7 - in particular with inflexible thinking.
Unfortunately it may take some time for you to get the diagnosis if your child isn’t ‘classic’ ASD. Only with age her behaviours and triggers became more obvious.
My advice would be to write a diary. Showing patterns of behaviour and with a history can really help.
Also explore all types of ASD. Particularly the control and inflexible thinking.
Hope that helps

poppet131 · 14/06/2023 14:31

@Nosleeptoddler We’re going through this atm with our nearly 4yo - did your DS eventually grow out of this and any tips you could share for handling the constant tantrums and meltdowns? X

Nosleeptoddler · 15/06/2023 09:12

@poppet131 he’s 6 now and he still has the occasional spectacular meltdown but they are much much less frequent - although still really difficult to deal with. I don’t think there is any ASD or neurodiversity - I think he is just an incredibly stubborn child and also quite emotionally attuned to others and the combination of the two sometimes means his feelings explode and he can’t control them.

I don’t have any magic tips for handling the tantrums - things that worked for him seemed to be to just sort of benignly ignore him and give him a pillow to hit if he was feeling physically overwhelmed. But am sending you sympathy as it’s exhausting and really made me feel like I was going through the emotional wringer too

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