To think people just like screaming stay the fuck home again and again no matter whether it’s relevant or not?

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Ok screaming may be an exaggeration.

But the minute you mention stepping foot outside the house so many posters keep repeating stay the fuck home constantly without even reading the post and the details. Yes sometimes it is relevant and appropriate but on many occasions it’s absolutely not. There are lots of genuine reasons for people not to stay the fuck at home. Not everyone has somebody to shop for them and online shops are difficult to get or the vulnerable person isn’t computer literate. Some people on here have decided for themselves what is essential and what is not despite it not matching up to governmental guidelines.

Simple messages for simple minds

There's a happy medium between the posters who ard going around in a bubble insisting that nothing anyone else does is any of their business no matter how much danger they are putting others in, and those having hysterics if anyone goes to the shops for anything other than lifesaving medicine.

Most people manage to be rational, but there are annoying posters on both extremes.

What worries me is that the restrictions WILL be lifted, and it seems these STAY THE FUCK HOME-ers would be happy for it to go on forever.

So I don't see the hysteria dying down when the virus does

It is actually going to be a bit awkward when the restrictions are lifted, because the virus won't be "gone" at that stage (it may never be gone). So the people who have interpreted the advice as "stay at home or you'll die!!!" Now will be ordered to "go back to work, you'll be fine". I'm not sure how people will cope with this.

As pp mentioned, front line workers are already experiencing this contradicting advice. General advice - don't even walk down a deserted street, or you'll definitely die, wear a hazmat suit to collect your mail. Advice to health care workers - meh, go ahead and touch cv patients all day, you'll be right, there's no PPE but you can wrap this plastic bag around your shoes if you want.

There are so many misunderstandings, the biggest is probably "if everyone stays at home this will be over quicker" when it's actually the opposite. Flattening the curve just means the same amount of people are infected, just over a longer period of time. The flatter the curve, the longer the time.

Yes but the flatter the curve the more likely that vulnerable people will get proper hospital care ae and not be left to die alone because younger healthier people need the ventilators.

I dont understand when people talk about a 'full lockdown' coming. Like how much fuller can this current lockdown be?? Okay maybe they can stop the exercise but people still need to for out for food, medicine and to work. How much stricter can it be??

Eckhurt mail carries the virus on it. It remains in the surface. We touch it and it then remains in our house etc. Being outside away from others and not not touching a surface doesn't expose you to the virus.

Oh wasn't a bang on scientific quote but rather a tongue in cheek observation. All these people shouting stay at home (or rather don't leave your front door!) will be having virus delivered through it!

So far, nobody has been denied a ventilator as far as I know.

So far, nobody has been denied a ventilator as far as I know. I'm guessing that's not how they'd put it to the relatives?

I thought govt said specifically in press conference, maybe yesterday, that no unit had run out of ventilators, yet.

Going on a ventilator is a brutal experience. It's wrong to prolong suffering. Going on a V seems to only mean 50% chance of survival. Elderly frail people have skin like tissue paper & bones like matchsticks and are easily damaged by invasive procedures. I'm not clinical, I don't have the skill to know how HCWs assess the ones likely to survive such invasive treatment. I'm willing to trust that the 'NHS heroes' will be honest enough to say if they didn't have equipment to even be able to choose, and brave enough to decide when the right thing to do is not to pointlessly prolong suffering.

The way it's out to those very vulnerable people is that they have been asked to decide in advance if that's what they'd want.

Many really elderly and vulnerable people will chose an advanced directive towards the end of their life. My Nan did. Nobody who knows anything could cause their death wants to prolong that and many certainly don't want to die whilst being on a ventilator if their chances of survival are statistically very low.

I like the fact we have choice.

So far, nobody has been denied a ventilator as far as I know.

How about the nurse from Goodmayes hospital who died at home last week because 111 decided four times that he wasn't ill enough to go to hospital?

A lady posted from our local hospital this week saying that the patient in the bed next to her just died, while patients were shouting for nurses to come and help.

I don't think we know half of what's going on.

How much worse would things be, if govt had just let the epidemic rip. There'd be no ambulances for anyone, no A&E care for anyone with any problem. eek.

It's ridiculous.
We went to see our gd the other day, and was told on here I should be ashamed.
Everyone in the garden hadn't been in contact with anyone in over a month.
Absolutely no risk to any of us, otherwise we wouldn't have gone.
I can't be doing with rules for the sake of rules.
If you don't need to socially distance from certain individuals because none of you can possibly be carrying the virus, where's the bloody problem.

It's proximity to other people that spreads it - not the distance you travel or the level of fun you have. But this is a killjoy site

It has nothing to do with MN - govt guidance is that you shouldn't travel to second homes, you should only leave home for essential purposes which are food shopping, medicines and daily 1 hour exercise. Distance and proximity doesn't come into it - the govt isn't saying 'have a family picnic is fine if you're not in close proximity to others' is it

Tara

She's likely to get her windows put through, daft cow.

Grumpies

Would you put your head in the oven if the gov guidelines told you to?
You'll be a walkover when our liberties and rights are taken away.

We went to see our gd the other day, and was told on here I should be ashamed.

Did I miss the official addendum to government advice that says 'stay at home unless you think it's ok not to ?

Why do so many people assume the rules only apply to other people?

Because only the stupid follow rules blindly, so they belong to those people.
HTH.

Because only the stupid follow rules blindly

No, only selfish bastards decide that protecting lives in their community isn't worth minor inconvenience to themselves.

See I'm not entirely sure why the second homes thing is an issue? Surely as long as you stick to the guidance about social distancing and not mixing households the actual household doesn't matter?
There are many people who have homes in cities because they work there who will have annual leave and always go to second home then.
I'm happy to be corrected about why it's a risk (nicely!) but beyond the argument it's not essential travel (which you could argue it is if it's your main residence when not working) I don't see any other reason?

Because many second homes are in areas with scant medical resources. They barely have enough to cope with the amount of permanent residents so won't have enough to cope with influx of second homers. Same applies to local shops etc

To be honest I am just shaking my head right now. I have just been walking for 3 hours and successfully stayed within at least 2 metres from everyone and yet maintaining pleasure conversation with people along the way, that in the same boat.

What I don't get it the 'Debbie Downers' that are moaning that their baby/children are being put to bed at the time of the 2 minute clapping for the NHS. Thank goodness they were not a mother of a young baby during the war years! My grandma was a widow and had 5 children to get to sleep whilst in the meantime the house next door was bombed to the ground!

Seriously these snowflakes need to man up and just get on with life!

*pleasant