Why are teachers not teaching live lessons online

[Shouldistayorshouldimove]

This is not a teacher bashing thread.

Talking online with another mum in my son’s class today, both ourDCs are in p1 (Scotland). She is outraged that teachers next term will be posting work online rather than actually teaching using Zoom etc. Her argument is that universities are doing it so why aren’t teachers? And how is she supposed to work from home and educate her children?

Personally I don’t think teaching a bunch of 5 year olds a live lesson using Zoom is going to be all that effective and would probably require quite a lot of supervision anyway. AIBU to think that tasks posted online are quite sufficient given the circumstances? So as not to drip feed, I am also working from home with 2DCs.

iPads seem very popular in Scotland -

"2019 Every child aged 11 to 17 in the Borders is set to be given an iPad now Scottish Borders Council has approved a new digital education strategy"

www.thesouthernreporter.co.uk/regions/dumfries-and-borders/9000-ipads-be-handed-out-all-borders-children-aged-11-17-94587

Clav a political decision that had education experts rolling their eyes.

Clav - if it’s anything like the iPad I had, it can’t sustain any more updates or run anything “modern”. And there is hardly any space on it, and no USB. Laptops are much better.

(And cheaper)

Clav did you even read the article I linked to above about the Scottish ipads? They are /were not a good thing.

Clav did you even read the article I linked to above about the Scottish ipads? They are/were not a good thing.

I just have - largely 4 people complaining on twitter.

The article ends with;

"Earlier this year, the education service was rated “outstanding” by school-inspection body Education Scotland, in large part because of its success in closing the attainment gap between more and less affluent pupils"...

"Teachers may well be tired of hearing about the potential for technology to transform education.There is a sense, though, that if any authority can ensure that its investment has an impact, it is Glasgow."

e-mail? No one has time for that - too slow in the context of a lesson. Most of us are using Teams or Google classroom.

A lot of us are doing voiceovers on powerpoints that students go through and then answering live questions on Teams so that the whole class can read what is being asked and what is being answered.

You are welcome

It's usually possible to argue some short term impact for almost any intiative.

For example, was it giving everyone an iPad that led to improvement, or that with the introduction of iPads senior leadership started leading more on teaching and learning in a council area with historically low outcomes?

Often people can argue what they like if they're crafty with how they design an initiative and how they present statistics, try to ascribe causation to correlation etc. Anyone who's ever sat in a staff meeting can recall situations where someone trying to climb the greasy pole tells everyone that the reason why 25 target students have improved between y10 mocks and y11 mocks is because they personally gave them a glittery pen and inspirational mentoring comprising of a weekly motivational pep talk, which in reality was once a half term for 5 minutes if the student was lucky because said aspiring leader was busy vomiting glitter and talking about their own brilliance to anyone who would listen.

Clavinova
Schools in Glasgow are in the process of rolling out 54,000 Apple iPads to teachers and pupils (a 2 year pre-coronavirus project).

If that is anything like the same/similar project that my school looked in to it isn't the school that will be buying the ipads, it will be the parents on long term purchase scheme. One of the biggest cons that I have ever seen.

fripp The schools I know that have done a device based initiative have also passed the cost to parents with school buying some devices in house for those whose parents don't pay for the child to own their own device, some of which comes from pupil premium.
Often it also requires the whole site infrastructure to be upgraded as well, which is a service often provided by the technology companies promoting the schemes if my friends are to be believed. I've no reason to doubt them though.

Oh Clav you’re so behind the times. We talked about Glasgow last year www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_staffroom/a3676820-Glasgow-spunks-300-million-quid-on-ipads-for-schools

But mainly, look at what happened in LA www.wired.com/2015/05/los-angeles-edtech/
Headline “What Schools Must Learn From LA's iPad Debacle”

LolaSmiles

they did want to update the site so that it linked with the tablets, the con is that the software can only be purchased through the company that sells the tablets and the company has the maintenance contract for the duration.

There is.was no open source software for it.Not that we woiuld have been allowed to use it.

We were teaching on zoom, but pupils started recording sex noises and photoshopping cocks in our mouths. Pupils can’t be reprimanded so now we’re pre recording (hands only - no faces) 15 minute explanation videos on new topics. We’re available by email constantly for further explanation - also I phone each pupil weekly asking how/what further support they need

Tunnocks so now they can just photoshop cocks into your hands?
How many pupils do you have that you can call them all? That's impressive! Before any parent start deciding this is what all teachers should be doing - I have around 300 pupils I see each week. I'll let a maths teacher work out how long it would take me to spend just 5 mins a week talking to each pupil.

Rainuntilseptember15

It won't be photoshop it will be one of the many apps that can add objects in to video. The animal features one are most common.

I wasn't asking for tips on how to do it!

You weren't getting any.

I was just pointing out that it requires very little skill to do.

Yeah, I won't be calling anyone : sorry but that's my private phone!

We all have to make sacrifices! Even using our phones! I guess the pupils will then have your number! I guess email is better in the circumstances.

Yes, I have no problem with emailing.

An astonishing number of people think teachers have work phones. I guess because social workers, police and a lot of other roles do.

Using my private phone is a safeguarding step too far imo.

rain you’re probably right but luckily no instances of cock hands yet! I have 120 kids. 5 classes of between 28-32. I can each class each day - luckily teenagers are not known for their long conversations so calls last about 1-2 minutes and I can get a full class done in under two hours (accounting for time to get hold of pupils/calling back etc)

Is that school policy tunnocks? I only ask because

a) I reckon some parents might not be comfortable with it
and
b) the kids would get a lot of calls if every teacher did it!

There was a thread a while back with a poster unhappy about being called.

I would not expect teachers to have work phones as they are working in a single place of work and not out and about on the move.

I’m far more concerned about reports that far fewer vulnerable DC have attended schools than was expected.

No, I know you wouldn't bubbles but I have met many people surprised that we don't.

The second thing is a concern : the vulnerable will sadly be slipping through gaps. I am pretty sure at my school there will be a member of SLT or a DSL calling these students. They probably have the work mobile or may do it from an office during the week.

I am worried also about the number of people who think robust safeguarding measures can just be thrown out of the window at the moment : they are even more important I'd say!