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How can a homphobic superstitious arse like this get elected in this country?

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malonybalony · 02/04/2020 22:36

metro.co.uk/2020/04/02/dup-councillor-blames-coronavirus-abortion-legalisation-sex-marriage-12498274/

DUP councillor blames coronavirus on abortion legalisation and same-sex marriage

The coronavirus outbreak is God’s judgment for legalising abortion and same-sex marriage in Northern Ireland, a DUP councillor has claimed.

John Carson, from Ballymena, County Antrim, wrote a public Facebook post on Tuesday comparing himself to the biblical figure of Noah for warning people about the divine consequences of abortion reform.

The DUP has distanced itself from the comments, although the party opposed new laws making terminations easier in the first 24 weeks.

John Carson represents Ballymena, Co Antrim (Picture: John Carson/Facebook)
Caption: John Carson represents Ballymena, Co Antrim (Picture: John Carson/Facebook)

Abortion laws came into effect this week bringing Northern Ireland closer in line with the rest of the UK
Abortion laws came into effect this week bringing Northern Ireland closer in line with the rest of the UK (Picture: Getty Images)

Mr Carson said: ‘I said when abortion was legalised that our nation would be judged by God because of its departure from his word and the legalisation of the murder of the unborn child as well as same-sex marriage.

‘I was laughed at and mocked by some but as I said at the time, they laughed at Noah until the rain started.

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‘You reap what you sow and our nation is now reaping the judgment of God because of an immoral and corrupt Government.

‘It is time to repent and turn again to the God of our fathers.’

John Carson represents Ballymena, Co Antrim (Picture: John Carson/Facebook)
Mr Carson respresents Ballymena, which was DUP founder Ian Paisley’s stronghold (Picture: John Carson/Facebook)

Asked why a change to laws in Northern Ireland would create a virus in China, he said: ‘God works in mysterious ways.’

He later added: ‘They laughed and mocked my Saviour too, but some day soon their laughs will turn to screams.’ !!!

FUCK THE DUP

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FunkyKingston · 03/04/2020 00:23

DUP

Thedogscollar · 03/04/2020 00:27

Hannah021Are you in agreement with his views then?

Etinox · 03/04/2020 00:38

He's a nob head.
Please don’t think all Christians agree. Here’s a more reasonable response.

willowpatterns · 03/04/2020 00:39

It's people like him who remind me why I dislike hard-of-thinking God botherers so much.

BubblyBarbara · 03/04/2020 00:43

Because there are enough members of the public who agree with him

Mimishimi · 03/04/2020 01:07

Oh bloody hell..

Maybe someone needs to read him this verse

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me on that day 'Lord, Lord did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly 'I never knew you. Away from me you lawless ones'

Ford is making ventilators for this crisis.Look up their connection with the Nazi party and big business. THIS is what is going on, not the Lord's wrath.

Krazynights34 · 03/04/2020 01:10

I love the notion my best friend offered.. imagine if the more gay you were the more immune to COVID-19 you would be...

ilovesooty · 03/04/2020 03:59

He's utterly vile.

However even though I'm not a believer myself I think some of these posts are appallingly disrespectful to those who do have s Christian faith.

ArriettyJones · 03/04/2020 04:07

You say “this country”, but really we are four countries loosely pegged together, with huge cultural differences between us. NI and England can never really understand each other,

Reginabambina · 03/04/2020 04:35

Maybe the people in his constituency believe the same?

Ghostontoast · 03/04/2020 05:49

2 corona outbreak hotspots are due to evangelical church meetings in Daegu South Korea and Mulhouse France respectively which goes to prove he’s talking out of his arse.

EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 03/04/2020 06:09

Does he realise that NI accounts for about 0.024% of the world population?
Oh well, at least we don't have Theresa May running around pandering to the twat to try and secure a majority. He makes Boris sound almost sane. Well, at least makes you realise things could be worse.

Maybe with all the focus on CV19 rather than Brexit, Boris will slip the problems of the Irish border through by agreeing to a united Ireland.

Corna · 03/04/2020 06:29

Ariettyjones
Can you explain more? I've never heard that before and I am (genuinely) interested to know what you mean.

eurochick · 03/04/2020 06:29

Is he a bit hard of thinking? Does he think that a change in legislation in NI has prompted his god to kill thousands in eg Iran? How does that work?

HennyPenny4 · 03/04/2020 06:29

There are many in the UK with very strong religious views against same sex marriage etc. But we can't mention it as its racism.
It's not just NI.

Mummyoflittledragon · 03/04/2020 06:41

The DUP has gone awfully quiet in Parliament. No longer useful, I imagine. It is such a shame this is not the case in NI.

Mimishimi
Thank you for this citation. If god exists, “he” is supposed to be a benevolent being, not full of wrath.

Vile man.

Ghost
Well spotted. I knew about the S Korea outbreak. Dh told me about the Mulhouse one the other day.

Piglet89 · 03/04/2020 07:03

@Corna the cultural differences really are bigger than they seem. I grew up in Northern Ireland but came to England for university when I was 18.

Emma Vardy, BBC Ireland correspondent, recently did a report on how rules around funerals and only very close family are allowed to attend really bite in particular in Northern Ireland - where half the country attends a funeral! For example, when my mother’s brother in law’s mother died, our family had to be represented and I had to go too with my parents. These social norma are really observed. That’s one small difference.

Then there’s the religious context. A much greater percentage of the population in NI would attend church regularly (be it Mass or C of I or Presbyterian or whatever) than would be the case in England. I think many more people pray regularly and believe God will guide them.

Those are just a couple of differences - there are many more.

The press summary of the Supreme Court’s judgment in the “gay cake case” concerning Asher’s bakery (in which the Supreme Court decided in favour of the bakery) is worth a read: I honestly don’t think many independent bakery businesses in England would have refused to make that cake, as fewer people in England’s faith is their guiding light in all areas of their life - including commerce. Whether that’s a good or a bad thing depend’s on one’s perspective: but I think it’s a fact.

www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2017-0020-press-summary.pdf

Personally, I believe in God - although I am not a practising Catholic any more because that faith presents too many philosophical and theological challenges for me. But I don’t like intolerance and insults levelled at people who do believe in God and some of the anti-religious vitriol on this thread makes me very uncomfortable.

Brahumbug · 03/04/2020 07:13

59ilovesooty

He's utterly vile.

However even though I'm not a believer myself I think some of these posts are appallingly disrespectful to those who do have s Christian faith.
Why should anyone be respectful to Christianity, or any other religion for that matter? Religion should be tolerated, not respected. Respect is earned and no religion has managed that.

Brahumbug · 03/04/2020 07:19

There are many in the UK with very strong religious views against same sex marriage etc. But we can't mention it as its racism.
It's not just NI.

You mean Islam? To say that criticising Islam is racist is beyond ridiculous, it is a vile, sexist, homophobic superstition, just like the rest of the abrahamic religions. I believe that everyone has the right to follow whatever religion they like and I will defend their right to do so., but those religions will be toleratef not respected.

Piglet89 · 03/04/2020 07:21

But I don’t think even religious tolerance has been observed on this thread.

welldonejean · 03/04/2020 07:37

The DUP are hideous, absolutely hideous but many Protestants still vote for them because they can stomach the alternatives and because they care that NI stays in the U.K. above all else and that’s what the DUP promise.

ArriettyJones · 03/04/2020 07:41

Thanks @Piglet89 - I’ve barely slept and couldn’t have explained myself so articulately ATM.

I think sometimes differences that superficially seem subtle are actually enormous.

Piglet89 · 03/04/2020 07:48

No probs Arietty: I agree with you.

I follow Vardy on Twitter and she seems to have integrated properly into the NI community and life there. I find that really interesting - think it would have been much more difficult as an English correspondent in NI in the 80s and 90s, for example. It shows things have changed.

Also - another huge difference is education. The vast majority of it is state funded and, overall, is vastly superior to the state provision in England. There’s also no mad postcode lottery as parents move house to get their kids into a decent state school: because most of the schools in Northern Ireland are decent!

TwistinMyMelon · 03/04/2020 07:50

If it is Good getting angry, we can only hope that he is one on his hit list... 🤷🏻‍♀️

ErrolTheDragon · 03/04/2020 08:23

Religious toleration? Ponder that in the context of Irish history....Hmm

I'd take a bet this particular individual is quite happy that his god is also using this disease to smite nations who follow god but not in the way he approves of in eg Iran, Italy and Spain.

Of course not all religious people are like this. But this one takes his own warped views and magnifies them by this sort of vile talk. I'm under no obligation to respect a man who doesn't respect women's bodily autonomy nor the sexuality of gay people.

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