To think everyone is going to get very fed up with all this?

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The thought of John Lewis dumping a washer-dryer on my doorstep and expecting me to remove the old (integrated) one and carry and plumb in the new one makes me wonder.

AIBU to think we're going to get fed up with this social distancing malarkey before very long?

(I hate it anyway, as I need people around me for my sanity. And not my teenagers 24/7).

I'll cut you some slack when you are isolated you become very insular .
Any problem no matter how trival compared with massive things going on are still a big problem.
You need to take the kick boards off (normal screwed in corners or just clip on unit legs )your kitchen units to get the old one out look on youtube.
you have a couple of teenagers put bath towel under washer pull/slide it in house plumb it is as you have before don't worry about putting kick bards back or door on unit just get it working don't forget to take transit bolts out full instructions come with it.
As for mental health there are loads of mindfulness video sessions online which will help clam you down .
Not being a twat but put the news one refocus whats going on in the big scheme of things you are doing ok.

YANBU people are going to find it very hard due to the length of time we're going to have to do it. I think some posters are mixing that up with you saying it's not worth it. Talking about how hard you're finding things can help and people ignoring the mental health benefits of doing that and saying to get perspective are probably the same ones who have been sharing memes on facebook about how you can always come round for a coffee to talk #mentalhealthawareness... but don't actually mean it.

Yes lots of people are dying and that is awful but that dosn't mean that people cannot be annoyed about things like washer dryers breaking down...that would definately be a tipping post for most. Noone wsnts to spend lock down hand washing.
Its fine to have a moan...its shit..
And yet people slag off extinction rebellion for causing inconvenience for stating the bloody obvious....that our poor relationship wity nature causes issues such as global pandemics.

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Why the assumption that the British willl be so badly behaved when the continent manages to just keep going?

Where do you get that idea? 3 weeks in and Italy are starting to riot/raid supermarkets etc. Massive civil unrest coming. There were riots in Wuhan.

Bar one walk with the dog last night, I have been at home for 20 days now as prior to lockdown we were SI due to symptoms. I am following every single guideline going, as are my family. I’m following the numbers very closely and know exactly what shit storm we have coming our way. My mum is a frontline NHS worker and 60 in a couple of weeks so putting herself at risk every single day.
None of that means I can’t find lockdown absolutely shit, or that I can’t muster up any sympathy for those with fragile mental health who will really really struggle with this.

What would 'not complying' look like? My work has locked itself down and won't let us back in?! We've been told not even to pick up stuff. My friends don't want to meet, they all have little kids/existing coughs/one has had corona, and they are fed up too but none are suggesting breaking the rules and meeting up in person. I wouldn't dream of asking my older parents to meet up and they wouldn't anyway. I already break the guidance by shopping more than once a week or so at the local shop- we can't get enough milk/bread or other things by going a minimum amount, so the excitement of getting a chocolate bar (we have not stockpiled there) is quite high. No cinemas, cafes are open, gov't directed.

We don't even have a dog to walk twice!

I do sympathise in that at times, it is boring, unbearable and I can imagine it does take a toll on mental health, but MH services are all closed down except to emergencies which are redirected.

One of the reasons everything closed down wasn't government decree, it was that the amount of staff working wasn't enough to deliver the service. That's why schools shut when they did- most were running on 50/60% staff and it wasn't enough, and that was before the more stringent measures, just when people were self-isolating for any symptoms or illness in the family. Absence is also a huge issue in the police at the moment.

So- defying the lockdown, unless you actually want to go out rioting, is going to be quite hard.

If we get testing up and running and esp antibody testing to see if you have ever have it, that's the best chance, after the peak, of allowing those who have had it and those who are prepared to take their chances back to work. Without that, the issue of extremely high absenteeism is going to scupper most services.

I’d be unphased by this, but I’ve connected washing machines, dishwashers, showers and cookers in my time as well as lugged them to the tip on my own using techniques that would raise eyebrows with H&S (mainly dragging them across tiles floors on bits of slidey fabric, but still)

Of course everyone is going to get 'fed up'. That's normal and understandable. As is wanting to moan. However most people's mental health is robust enough not to be plunged into a suicidal depression because of it. Some people have poor mental health and will not cope, but the majority will. It's a numbers game: fewer people will be damaged by the lockdown than would be killed without it.

Humans are really really adaptable. The majority of us will be able to manage this just fine. Some of us might even find new levels of inner strength. What we won't do, as a society, is codemn tens of thousands to death because we're bored.

What really pisses me off op is that you have decided your future as if it is a fait accompli. I felt suicidal for a few days about a month ago and I pulled myself out of it. You need to find the resources, make calls, lean on who you can etc to try to get yourself in a position of feeling ok. You have a responsibility to do it for your children as well as yourself.

People are wilfully misunderstanding the OP and others like her. I don't think she's suggesting for a moment that we all say 'ok then, let's all go out again and damn those who are going to catch the virus'. I think she just wanted to hear that, although there's no alternative right now, she and what she's struggling with matter too. There are far too many people on here who are enjoying polihing their own halos and getting to kick out at others all at once ('well, I [insert tremendously difficult situation] but I do it all gladly for the sake of saving vulnerable people, unlike you, selfish scum, who would happily see thousands die in misery'). Those suggesting she would have 'blood on her hands' and similar rhetoric should be ashamed of themselves. In these fraught times, all of how we behave to others matters.

What is needed is a reliable test kit, get all doctors, nurses etc tested. Then allow us to buy one each so we can be tested. If clear we can then go out, volunteer to help others, work, resume some of ordinary life. If the NHS sold them we could pay according to our means to contribute to their work

It’s very obvious that even after 6 days people’s tempers are frayed and it’s not going to be very easy.

My kids are bored and I’m not a bloody teacher so just doing the best I can

My husband has run out of jobs to do around the house and we’ve run out of paint. He’s one of those people who needs to be doing something. Idle hands make for the devils work with him.

I’ve been working from home and struggling to get much done...the kids are under foot and make a lot of noise.

Unless your the super rich (lots of them around here!!) who are simply flouting the bloody rules!

I am very introverted, and I’m really struggling.

So while I agree the op is not being unreasonable they also are being reasonable.

It will all affect us differently

And it's worth noting that MH services in the UK were pitiful at best before all this happened. The MH cost of this is going to be terrible. One resource we can't afford to be short of right now is compassion. For everyone in need of it.

You will feel fortunate if you weather this whole crisis still in one piece quite frankly,

Actually, the OP probably won't. Disaster psychiatry exists as a field for a reason.

I gather this is why the lockdown was brought in when it was - precisely because the govt believed people wouldn’t be able to stick to it for long periods of time

Well, thats worked well, heading for a 3 month lockdown, according to Prof N.Ferguson, advising the govt.

But the OP has a point too, as we all see people/celebs recover from this without complications, many will question why are we doing this.

I don't know why you're getting such a hard time OP. Yes, it's a shit time for everyone and I think you're right that a minority of people will get fed up of it and flout the rules. I think people have lost the ability to read and comprehend what has been written in posts. I can't find anywhere in the thread where you've said you're not following the guidelines for social distancing, so where's the problem in venting about shit circumstances?

I would be a tad pissed off about having to hand wash everything with a broken foot or try to negotiate replacing a washing machine and getting rid of the old one when everywhere is shut down. The death toll from mental health issues for this year will exceed CV deaths, I have no doubt about it. I don't know why people are so oblivious to this and continue to be cunts on these sorts of threads rather than just scrolling by or perhaps trying to be supportive.

that you have decided your future as if it is a fait accompli. I felt suicidal for a few days about a month ago and I pulled myself out of it.

I'm glad that you've managed to do that. You are.not the OP. For someone with chronic mental illness (in my case, first suicide attempt was in mid-teens, I've been mentally-ill for longer than I've been an adult), feeling suicidal is a recurrent symptom that happens over and over again. Recurrent suicidal ideation isn't the same as a one-off event and chronically mentally ill people are at a much greater risk of suicide than the general population.

You need to find the resources

Many of those are now gone. Human contact, an exercise class, going to work, seeing a concert, are all gone. NHS services were struggling any way and face-to-face appointments have now stopped. For those who have are under the care of secondary care trusts, are the MH crisis team willing to enter patients' homes to prevent a suicide?

but I just cannot see people doing this for more than a few weeks

Really? When the alternative is being arrested? In Italy, they have made it a serious criminal offence to travel out of your own area.

There is a MASSIVE confusion on these threads between "can't" and "hate the thought of" when it comes to isolating for longer.

We all CAN and will have to. We don't have any alternstives at the moment. All we can do is follow the rules so that we get out of this lockdown more quickly.

Sadly, the adverse effects on mental health are NOT going to make the government change their policy and throw quarter of a million lives away.

We can still go out for shopping and daily exercise. We can talk to others via phone, Facebook, Skype, email etc. We can use all manner of distraction techniques. You have a choice: to do things which may help to keep you mentally well, OR to decide now that you are doomed and tell yourself now how much you can't cope - which can become a self fulfilling prophecy.

PS for all those with kids who are contemplating suicide, did you know that children of parents who die by suicide are massively more likely to die that way themselves? Once they see someone else choose it as a way out, it becomes an option to them. Please Google the research if you don't believe me.

Nah yanbu let them in, let them plumb it in, make em a cuppa even...catch corona die.

OP “ The social and economic effects of this virus will, as I have said before, cause untold deaths that don't involve physical illness.”

Yes. Agree.

Still wondering what John Lewis have said, I think they’re legally okay for a fitter to do the job but you have to keep out of their way. I couldn’t remove my integrated machine either. I live a tiny flat so nowhere to hang washing is already a problem, if it had to hang around longer because of no spin cycle, my asthma would get worse.

Nah yanbu let them in, let them plumb it in, make em a cuppa even...catch corona die

Covid-19 isn't the Black Death! just sensationail nonsense.

With the UK on approx 1000 hospital deaths, we have around 1m infections, according to Jeremy Hunt, many more if you inc community deaths... he says for every 1 death there is 1000 infections.

We ordered ours from John Lewis and they actually put it in for us. I'm guessing it's to do with social distancing? But they should have instructed you.

Being able to wash and dry clothes is a necessity not a luxury!

If people go to do their essential shopping in dirty clothes they are more likely to spread the infection!

Do you think we’ll have bad food shortages like Italy.

I just tried to post under the username 'corona', and wondered why it didn't work.

I wanted to reply to every poster individually, but there are just too many.

So some points:

I have cancelled the JL order. There's a bit of a back story involved in the whole washing machine saga, but it's not relevant to the discussion. Suffice it to say the new washer dryer was desirable rather than absolutely essential.

I used that as a peg on which to hang my question as to whether people will get fed up with this, and will find ways to slither back to some semblance of normal life.

I wasn't advocating doing so. More wondering.

It irks me that there are people not keeping their distance, as it happens, as the place where I live is like a ghost town and every single person I know is sticking to the government's exhortations. I know, though, that there are places in the country where this isn't happening.

I also know, and genuinely believe, that people will commit suicide because either their mental health depends on being busy and out in society, having real life hugs and hand-holding and interaction - or because their lives are so shattered economically that they can't see a way out.

To the poster who suggested I Google suicide: I have done, more times than anyone can imagine. I also know that people with severe MH problems can understand, intellectually, why some things are a bad idea. However, there is a gulf between understanding and knowing something, and being in a frame of mind where it actually matters. It's hard to explain to anyone who hasn't experienced it.

Reinstate puts it very well.

In response to the meditation suggestions: I am sure it would help some people, but I am not at all un-calm. I feel like a plant which has been locked in a dark cupboard with no water.

Finally, thank you to those who have been kind. I can cope with being given a hard time - I have been on MN for almost 20 years, and have had a rough ride on more than one occasion. Even before the invention of AIBU!