Aibu to think private school provision at home can be done in state schools too?

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Just that. Private schools are doing active live teaching via zoom, FaceTime and Skype. Full school days. Teaching via video link, then sending kids off to do work which they send back and gets marked, then another lesson. full school days of work. Even pe online! Parents don’t need to do anything and can get on with work.

State sector get home learning packs. No info about how to do bus stop division or similar technical stuff. Not heard from anyone at school since Friday, no information at all bar work timetable on website. Where are the teachers? Why are can state sector teachers not actively teach online and stay in touch with the kids? Why not more engagement? We are all having to work at home alongside our kids, why aren’t teachers doing this too?

I have dc at 3 different private schools. All have done their best to work out some kind of continuity of education, and overall I am astounded by, and very appreciative of, the efforts that have been taken.

The systems are working, for my dc, in their comfortable, spacious house, with a separate workspace for each of them; enough food to eat; enough resources to magic up support for maths and literacy where necessary; enough tech (iPad each, plus 2 shared computers) and super fast broadband which may occasionally slow up but generally copes with multiple zoom/google meets/streaming happening; access to safe outside space to get fresh air and exercise, and all that is just the tip of the iceberg.

It really isn’t as simple, OP, as ‘why can’t all schools provide this’, and it doesn’t take a lot of imagination to try to see outside your ivory tower.

I thought they were all on "Teams" mine is.

Teams costs the school a lot of money. A lot for an educational license. In particular, primary schools may not use Office 365 via cloud and instead, something else that is cheaper. They may instead have a separate app to post work on or be using email or have posted physical worksheet packs home to their pupils. All perfectly reasonable, in the current climate.

And how would it work on the days I’m in school? I can’t be teaching children on line and supervising in the classroom

Oh, and also my school doesn't have iPads to lend , or Chromebooks .

And I only have school issue laptop to which I am not allowed to add Skype !

Maybe you should stop goading people on mumsnet and actually get on with your apparently full time WFH job and with educating your children.

Senior state school here. DC doing pretty much a full day every day since last week, work being set via a number of online packages. Provision made for those without internet access.

Brilliant job. Thank you teachers.

Nah. OP has sloped off. I hope. No doubt will emerge under another new name to piss and moan about how horrid MNers are. Oh, and how they all worship teachers.

Not sloped off, juggling work and kids as pp said.

Good for you, teachers will be doing the same which is why your suggestion is not practical for all

And you've just proven exactly why it won't work op

I think it varies. My son in a state school is getting that. But they prioritised years 11-13 and gave progressively less active teaching further down the school age groups.

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and it’s funny how no teacher on here is able to articulate a genuine safeguarding issue that a normal human can understand.

Yet the normal humans can and do understand.

And yes you are being goady.

It really isn’t as simple, OP, as ‘why can’t all schools provide this’, and it doesn’t take a lot of imagination to try to see outside your ivory tower.

To be fair re name change

I would definitely name change before making a thoughtless post that highlighted my lack of insight

Blimy the OP started a jolly post about teens and it's descended into some sort of teacher bashing.

I applaud schools and teachers who have managed to get online lessons up and running. The school I work in is still trying to get their heads around what to do. We had a practice using zoom on Monday. The Y6 teacher is trying to get it set up for his class ASAP and then he can support others to do the same. Schools didn't see this coming, and so weren't prepared.

Anyway, my 16yo is refusing to log into see what college work he needs to do. He's usually very active and sociable and is going to find staying at home so tough. I think it only sank for him yesterday. He's not the type to fuss or complain. He started playing music in the kitchen really loudly the middle of the night. DH didn't have the heart to ask him to stop. He left a mess of dirty plates which I found this morning. Normally I'd remind him to please put things in the dishwasher but I won't. He's going to get away with murder because we don't want to upset him any more than he already is.

I feel like one of the issues here is that teachers take these suggestions as a personal attack that they themselves could be doing more.
I once started a thread about why so many schools had to close in the snow and got my arse handed to me.
It wasn't my intention to suggest that under the current system teachers themselves should be doing anything different.
More that systems could be rethought and more resilience in place to enable education to continue.
If extreme weather or pandemics or whatever continue to happen then all of our services, businesses, healthcare and educational institutions will need to adapt to provide continuity.
That will require creative thinking, innovation, transformational goals. It's not impossible. But it's not the teachers as individual people who can do it.

Wtf are the others doing?

Staying at home in fluffy pjs watching netflix and flicking the bean. That's what you want to hear isn't it?

I work at a state school primary. I am going in on a rota to support children of key workers.
I am sending learning out electronically and receiving emails from parents. They are sending us their children’s work.
Thing is, I’ve had a text from my head this morning asking us to ensure not all work involves using the internet as many parents only have one smartphone to access things on. No laptop, no printer.
Many of our families do not have the technology to use Zoom, etc.
In addition to that I am home schooling my own children.
I’d rather be at work teaching. I miss the children. I miss my proper job. This isn’t teaching, it’s giving children stuff to do.

Lots of schools are doing lots of brilliant things. They are trying their best, some places have more technology and expertise than others. They have been doing this less than a week! What planet are some people on!

Teachers are working from home though, or still at school for Key workers.
If your child has two parents then one needs to take leave to supervise the child whilst the other works.
Teachers don't pop off to do housework or another job whilst they teach your children.
Why are you still working/ and your partner if you have a child at home.

Chloe, I’d be happy to go off book and use other resources, I’d be happy to read and count and watch documentaries and horrible histories. I’d also be happy to let him play on PS4 for 2 weeks, But they’ve set specific work.
I just want to cry now.
I’ve literally printed off his work, instructions right in front of him and he’s crying because he can’t do it. He can do it, he just needs me to guide him through it and actually sit with him.

My kids school has provided a home learning pack for primary which has plenty to he getting on with. My secondary year 7 has got a ton of work that will be added to weekly. I presume private school parents will be asking for their fees backing they didnt get any classes which would bankrupt them. Also yes, many state school kids will not have technology at home.

We are in a relatively affluent Area, all the kids have their own tech. Everyone has internet. The odd few that don’t could be given one of the school iPads on loan. It really isn’t hard.

If you honestly cannot see why this isn’t practical for all schools then I really question your ability to think logically.

he’s crying because he can’t do it

Oh bless him, so sorry he is upset

you are assuming that everyone is loaded enough to have the hardware sitting ready at home - my DC have to share 1 laptop and I have friends with 3 or 4 DC who have to share as well.

Also, classes in state schools are bigger. There are a lot more children with complex learning needs in a classroom who require a highly differentiated curriculum - they would not able able to follow online lessons.

I think you are living in your well off bubble, OP, not the real world.

I have to say this is exactly what's happened here - the school is closed because no key workers kids have attended (secondary) so they aren't teaching. Work packs and nothing else, they all have internet access. That said, presumably some of them also have kids at home. But we're all working from home, so it'd be good if they could at least do a bit. All the kids get is an email saying 'this is the work'.