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Aibu to think private school provision at home can be done in state schools too?

609 replies

Namechangedforthisreply7 · 24/03/2020 23:14

Just that. Private schools are doing active live teaching via zoom, FaceTime and Skype. Full school days. Teaching via video link, then sending kids off to do work which they send back and gets marked, then another lesson. full school days of work. Even pe online! Parents don’t need to do anything and can get on with work.

State sector get home learning packs. No info about how to do bus stop division or similar technical stuff. Not heard from anyone at school since Friday, no information at all bar work timetable on website. Where are the teachers? Why are can state sector teachers not actively teach online and stay in touch with the kids? Why not more engagement? We are all having to work at home alongside our kids, why aren’t teachers doing this too?

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Namechangedforthisreply7 · 25/03/2020 11:07

If the only safeguarding reasons are to prevent a child recording and humiliating a Teacher then that is entirely worth the risk and easily dealt with were it to come to pass.

The idea that you can’t record in case a child he’s bullied is also a nonsense, that’s like saying school itself can’t go ahead because of the risk of a child being bullied for something they say in a real life class. Ridiculous.

It seems like a blanket reason to justify not doing it. Our school has about 15 kids in. Out of 210. What are the other teachers doing? They are not setting work or marking work or giving lessons, because there are none. We are all at home working alongside our kids, why can’t teachers do that too? This is a Entire population of kids who still need teaching, the Uk State sector seems to be lagging Behind both its private counterparts and the rest of the world.

The teacher needs an iPad or a laptop and an app. I set up a zoom meeting with over 30 attendees at very short notice. We muted everyone bar the speaker and attendees put their hands up if they wanted to talk. It’s bloody easy. We are in a relatively affluent Area, all the kids have their own tech. Everyone has internet. The odd few that don’t could be given one of the school iPads on loan. It really isn’t hard. This is reflecting very badly on the state schools whi think it’s ok to sit back and accept That can’t be done. Of course it can, it needs innovation and vigour and a bit of bloody thinking outside the box. Like the rest of us are having to do in relation to our own jobs.

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CaptainMyCaptain · 25/03/2020 11:10

My grandsons are in state schools, two at primary two at secondary. They have all got plenty of work which is being marked. They can contact teachers when they need to.

echt · 25/03/2020 11:10

If the only safeguarding reasons are to prevent a child recording and humiliating a Teacher then that is entirely worth the risk and easily dealt with were it to come to pass

ODFOD. This risk is for the teacher to assess, not you.

Namechangedforthisreply7 · 25/03/2020 11:11

Echt - and it’s funny how no teacher on here is able to articulate a genuine safeguarding issue that a normal human can understand.

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lamppostdog · 25/03/2020 11:12

Now try your meeting x 5 every day, and make sure all kids attend, have tech, have equipment. Make sure your meeting is differentiated for all learners too.

ChloeDecker · 25/03/2020 11:14

Echt - and it’s funny how no teacher on here is able to articulate a genuine safeguarding issue that a normal human can understand.

Eh? You can’t be for real OP? Surely? Oh well, hiding behind your name change is probably why you are goading right now.

echt · 25/03/2020 11:14

Echt - and it’s funny how no teacher on here is able to articulate a genuine safeguarding issue that a normal human can understand

It's echt, not Echt.

Images can be captured and manipulated.

Oh, and welcome to MN, OP

HugeAckmansWife · 25/03/2020 11:14

Were your 30 attendees children? Because, newsflash, they don't behave like adults. You have completely ignored everything that has been said in this thread. 'everyone should have a laptop'. Oh good 'ping' mine just arrived!! Yes there is some variation, no doubt some schools are coping better.using tech more than others already but you are clearly not interested in hearing reasons, you just want to slag off lazy teachers.

Namechangedforthisreply7 · 25/03/2020 11:15

Chloe, not goading at all. Asking the education community to get on board with the positive innovative approach that The rest of us with less secure employment are having to adopt.

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lamppostdog · 25/03/2020 11:16

How do you make sure they all attend ? Many are sharing tech with siblings and parents, others don't have access.

SarahInAccounts · 25/03/2020 11:16

Ah, another teacher bashing thread. What a surprise.

Teachers are also parents, teachers get ill, teachers may be in vulnerable groups.

But let's have a go at them anyway. Some horrible people on MN.

stayingaliveisawayoflife · 25/03/2020 11:18

So my sister who works in retail and is at home and is being paid should build a till and email all their previous customers and spend all day pretending to serve people just in case we all forget to shop? What is she doing to earn her money?

ChloeDecker · 25/03/2020 11:18

The teacher needs an iPad or a laptop and an app

I don’t have my own laptop or iPad as my school doesn’t provide them to staff (no money) and I usually do all my work at school. I’m flitting between using my Smartphone and my DH’s school issued iPad when he isn’t using it (who does teach in a private school and hasn’t been required to do online lessons, but set work instead)

noblegiraffe · 25/03/2020 11:19

There are kids out there you wouldn’t want to be alone in a room with.

I don’t think that some parent with privileged primary kids really has a handle on the situation.

Namechangedforthisreply7 · 25/03/2020 11:19

Staying, that’s a silly example. Those of us who can work at home are and should. There are of course jobs where that doesn’t work.

Teaching is not one of them.

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SachaStark · 25/03/2020 11:20

Of course these are genuine safeguarding issues that a normal human can understand Hmm

Or are your comprehension skills so poor?

I’m teaching lessons via video link to my students this week, and I absolutely trust that they are taking the lessons seriously, and will not abuse the video link in any way. I also have to record every single lesson, in order to protect myself should the need to do so arise.

However, if I was still teaching in two of my previous schools? No way in hell would I agree to video teaching:

  1. I’d be genuinely concerned that I’d be recorded, and my image/voice digitally manipulated. Happens WAY more often than you think;

  2. With some of my previous cohorts, I’d be concerned that some children would take the opportunity to arrive on the video link either undressed or dressed inappropriately, therefore creating opportunities for child sexual exploitation.

That’s just two examples of why there are safeguarding concerns.

Honestly, OP, maybe you just need to work on your critical thinking skills, as they don’t seem very sharp to me.

lamppostdog · 25/03/2020 11:21

Answer my question op

Tonyaster · 25/03/2020 11:23

Answer my question op

So rude.

echt · 25/03/2020 11:23

Staying, that’s a silly example. Those of us who can work at home are and should. There are of course jobs where that doesn’t work

I think you're kind of not getting analogy, OP. I thought stayingaliveisawayoflife had nailed how stupid your take on the situation is.

stopgap · 25/03/2020 11:26

My kids are in a state primary, but the US, and my third grade son has a Chromebook and is doing daily lessons on Google Classroom, and having class meetings via Zoom. All of the teachers are responding to questions via email 8-3.

I suspect this is because obviously we are a well-equipped school, but we have been in lockdown since March 11th and the teachers had time to prep. It all happened so quickly in the UK.

Devlesko · 25/03/2020 11:26

I thought they were all on "Teams" mine is.
Skype or anything else wasn't allowed at dd school because of safeguarding.
She is following her usual timetable with the full class there. Music lessons are continuing, with accompanists, and GCSE work continuing, so they get a realistic, up to date grade.

Piggywaspushed · 25/03/2020 11:28

My DH works in a private school . He is doing none of that. he doesn't even own a laptop. He is in the garden sunbathing at present , while I am taking a break form supervising work submission. HTH.

Italiandreams · 25/03/2020 11:28

I don’t want my toddler to be visible to my class which he would be if I did what you suggested, I think that is a safeguarding issue for many teachers

lamppostdog · 25/03/2020 11:28

@Tonyaster not rude at all, I want to hear op's grand plan for making sure all pupils can access these lessons, which in my case is 5 hour long lessons a day with up to 30 kids a class.

qweryuiop · 25/03/2020 11:30

lagging Behind it's been 3 days.

I set up a zoom meeting with over 30 attendees at very short notice. We muted everyone bar the speaker and attendees put their hands up if they wanted to talk were the 30 attendees six-year-olds?

Of course it can, it needs innovation and vigour and a bit of bloody thinking outside the box And an internet connection which is reliable, which I don't have. And a place to record from which is not my bedroom, which I don't have. And parent's email addresses, which I don't have. Please solve these problems and I might be able to help.

Even if all of that is set up, what about the 20% of children in my class without internet, a computer, or something to write on.

You've been told over and over that you are being unreasonable, and that it's nothing to do with state V private. Please just stop.