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To expect my white dd not to be an ethnic minority in her own country

506 replies

squatchette · 07/09/2007 13:26

First of all i would like to make it clear that i am in no way racist.My childrens father is half asian (although he is also an irish catholic too).
Anyway today i was late dropping DD2 at pre school and i got to see her whole class for the first time.This is when i was shocked to realise that she is the only white child in her class.
I think i was shocked as we don't live in a particularly ethnic area or so i thought.I read in the schools ofsted report that 40 % of the kids in the school speak English as a second language.
At first i thought it would be good that she can mix with children of different races and i am all for a diverse society.However something about the fact that she is the minority has worried me.AIBU?

OP posts:
law3 · 10/09/2007 17:07

Hurly - Converted to what, someone who agrees with everything you say........ fraid not!!!!! and i dont sucumb to insults or you stamping your feet either.

Bit like being back at school now youve joined the conversation, if you dont agree with what i say i will get mad, insult and bully into thinking what i want you to think.

Glad your here!!!!!!!!!!

Hurlyburly · 10/09/2007 17:26

I have not insulted you. Nor have I stamped my feet. I have not threatened that I will get mad at you. Nor have I bullied you. I have said that I will find it upsetting - which is true.

I have also said that it is pointless engaging in these sorts of discussions and you've tacitly acknowledged the truth of that argument.

There have been several posters who have tried to explain to you in a reasoned way why it is not sensible to extrapolate from your experience as you have perceived it.

Throwing accusations of bullying around doesn't answer them any more than it answers me.

law3 · 10/09/2007 17:35

Hurly - Queenie had stated she had never seen people come to this Country and make no attempt to speak the language or intergrate etc, etc.

Made the point about my son mugging and school to show that it does happen.

So get off your high horse

TheQueenOfQuotes · 10/09/2007 17:39

so your son was mugged by a group of black teenagers and no-one wanted to intervene......my brother was mugged by a group of white youths and no-one wanted to intervene either

Hurlyburly · 10/09/2007 17:44

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Lawrence

Posted for law3

law3 · 10/09/2007 17:46

Hurly - 'Law3. Your sorry arguments have been addressed already

For instance, pointing to an incident involving non-white violence - oh yes, clearly an indication that all is not well in the "non-white world""

There. I have engaged. Are you converted now?'

Hardly hello, nice to meet you, thats what we do in this country hope you have a sense of humour!!!

law3 · 10/09/2007 17:50

you obviously didnt read my post 17.35 and have decided to send out the lynch mob

law3 · 10/09/2007 17:53

Hurly - i was just as shocked and disguisting.

We could continue with links to various racist/hated filled attacks but i dont see your point

Hurlyburly · 10/09/2007 18:05

Okay, but this is the third time I have made this point and other posters have made it before me.

There is no bleeding point in exchanging stories or anecdotes about actual or perceived racism. None. There are so many of them. You can pile them high and sell them cheap.

It turns into a tit for tat and advances no cause or reason.

law3 · 10/09/2007 18:09

hurly - thats better i agree with what you are saying. Cor, you sound almost human now

law3 · 10/09/2007 18:21

hurly - is it ok, to have an opinion though?

law3 · 10/09/2007 18:23

dont want handbags at dawn!!!!

Hurlyburly · 10/09/2007 18:32

Sorry RL intervened. We're cool, law3.

law3 · 10/09/2007 18:37

used the example to make a point, rather than the example was my point if you know what i mean

law3 · 10/09/2007 18:42

GTG otherwise be starting a thread on is it ok to sit on MN for hours while neglecting your kids.

TheQueenOfQuotes · 10/09/2007 18:44

kids - oooo did someone say kids????? Oooh blimney just remembered I've got 3 of them downstairs (actually I lie - 2 downstairs eating their dinner and one sat on my knee which I'm desperately trying to keep awake for at least 1 more hour !

Getyourownjuice · 10/09/2007 23:41

When this thread appeared on NM last week it was pulled.

SMILIE ALERT

law3 · 11/09/2007 08:23

Morning Queenie!!

The point i was trying to make is that racism is a two way street and i think that defending other races and not acknowledging that british people are also discrimated against adds to racial tension.

So the burning question is what causes racism and would could be done to ease it???

Any suggestions anyone, hands up!!

speedymama · 11/09/2007 08:32

I wonder if the OP would have felt the same way if majority of the children in the class hailed from France, Germany, Austria or Belarus and spoke English as a second language?

I was one of of the first black children in my primary school in the 70s. I speak from experience when I say that children from the aforementioned countries would have been wholeheartedly embraced whereas children of colour were treated as inferior and subjected frequently to monkey noises, "go back to the jungle where you belong", "sambo", "nig-nog", "paki"etc

So IMVHO, YABVVVVVVVVVVVVU.

And I find it shocking that you have part-Asian children and still feel this way!

fortunecookie · 11/09/2007 08:34

I think I asked that question awhile back... yes, I'd like to know what causes racism.

Is it the same as my Italian friend's parents refusing to let her marry an Iranian? (not that it stopped her!)

Is it the same as my mother feeling funny about my decision to bring my children up as RCs (I'm CoE, dh is RC)?

Is it the same as my grandfather refusing to buy anything made in Japan after fighting in WW2?

fortunecookie · 11/09/2007 08:35

But this is not racism per se. More like prejudice.

fortunecookie · 11/09/2007 08:36

Same evil. Different label.

LilRedWG · 11/09/2007 08:43

Have only read the OP, so apologies if repeating, BUT - you're daughter is not white, she is quarter asian.

I'm interested to know why you see an issue with your daughter mixing with people of different colours and religions - it's only skin - we're all basically made the same way.

law3 · 11/09/2007 08:58

fortune - yipee some one has used a different word, prejudice!!!

I think lots of people are too quick to jump on the racist band wagon and this adds to racial tension.

law3 · 11/09/2007 09:33

i think the number one cause of racism is realistic competition/fear, not enough housing, jobs, ecomony etc