to be really pissed off that my so called friends think it is ok to smoke in the same room as a 6 week old baby and for them to be all snotty because we refuse to see them with our kids

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I just cannot believe thier stupidity and thier naivety i really can't. They have used the excuse that as she smoked in pregnancy then the baby is used to it and will be ok.

They have gone snotty on us because we wont take our kids there.

No amount of education will make them change thier minds and whats worse her whole family have started it too so at any one time up to 8 oeple are smoking in the same room as that poor baby!

I am not turning this into an anti smoking rant as dp and I both smoke but we both go outside well away from the kids and are both very aware of the risks .

They give teenage parents and people on benefits a really bad name

my ds hasnt seen me smoke for about a year now, and he saw someone do it on tv and says mummy u do that! i said no i dont its bad! aggh! it waas at a picnic very far way from him felt gulilty after smoking it!

yes chocabloc the accused are both teenange parents and claiming benefits

Thats why I said it gives them a bad name

I grew up with two parents who were heavy smokers. I hated it so much. I used to get teased at school because my clothes stank of smoke. Car journeys were a nightmare because my mother wouldn't even allow us to open a window and we would be absolutely choking.
YANBU at all - your friends sound like selfish pigs IMO.

Ohmigod you are not being unreasonable.
I managed to chuck the fags about 4 weeks ago (still early days) and dp is still smoking, but we only ever smoke(d) in the kitchen with the door open away from the monsters. I would have totally freaked if someone lit up in the same room as my 6 week old baby!

I know tori, was meaning like if you had a family bbq at home or were all sat on patio and kids were playing or something. I didn't mean when you go to a party as I accept that social situations will usually involve smoke.

ahh i see, there should be a law against it! dont know if this is extrme, but couldnt u get sure start to come and have a freindly word, just to see how thier coping esp if their new parents, scare them a bit, or maybe a social worker, they should have had a visit by now? from somebody, its ignorant and selfish and does stigmatise further

Not being unreasonable at all. I have to stop myself having a go at people smoking near their babies in open air (wouldn't really accomplish anything, would it?), let alone inside. GRRR

I don't expect a smoker to beleive the information given.

When my children's nana goes outside to have a fag, she comes back in washes her hands, brushes her teeth, and she still reeks of cigarettes.

Now as I said you probably don't beleive me, but if I can smell it, my children can smell it, then all that nastiness she chooses to put in to her body, she is thereby also choosing to put in mine, my husband's and worst of all my children's bodies.

You would probably have to have a shower and wash all of your clothes before you entered back into the house and did not pass anything on to your children and other people.

You may have stopped smoking when you had your children but....do you think about all the nikotine that is still on your furnitures, walls, curtains, bedding etc? Try to move one of your pictures on the walls, or a sofa, I bet you can see exactly where it was hanging/standing.

Trust me I know it is not easy to give up smoking, but I also believe that just because you are smoking your cigarettes outside you will not be saving your children from being put at risk of getting cancer, astma, excema and other nicotine related illnesses.

I am not saying that it is as bad as if you were puffing the smoke right up your children's faces, but it is still not good no matter how hard you try to convince yourself and other people of it.

OMG no.. you are so NBU. This issue, and similar, is the ban of my life. Perfecty "otherwise-reasonabe" people who happen to be smokers seem to get so shirty about these things (ooops typed shitty by accient..that too!) when really, it's the most reasonable thing in the world to want to protect your children from pollution as far as poss.. partiularly that which is not even by product of something useful, like eg traffic fumes are.

(I know not ALL smokers are unreasonable in this way by the way..)

maismor - so do you really think it's the smell that gives you cancer, excema, asthma etc? Or do you think it's the nicotine?..........

It's neither.

You're right, I'm not going to believe the information you've given - but that's because it's wrong.

If you are going to write something soooo condecending you really ought to get your facts right first.

MamaD, sorry if I came across as condescending.

You are absolutely right.
Smoking does not kill.
Passive smoking does not kill.
Smoking should not be banned.
Smoking should be made compulsory.
Smoking is good as long as you are not intentionally trying to impose its nastiness on to others.
The fact that you smoke is not the smoker's fault.
There is nothing wrong with smoking.
It aint going to kill no matter where you smoke.
It aint going to kill no matter how often you smoke.
It is the passive smokers that have the problem with smoking not the smokers.
The smokers have rights.

Hanaflower smells in the air, equals fairy clouds. They are scented (badly) in order to fool the evil trolls that try to capture them .

maisemor is right, smoking outside makes little or no difference to your children - this is not exactly news: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3476743.stm

yes but that link also states 'But they still had significantly less nicotine in their bodies than children who were directly exposed to smoke.'

i do not have the will power to quit right now, so i will protect my child the best i can, thank you!

and this quote 'Children whose parents smoked outside had twice as much cotinine in their urine as the children of non-smokers.

But in homes where both adults smoked indoors, children had fifteen times higher levels of cotinine than children of non-smokers.'

so its exactly the same to have twice as much as it is 15 times as much?

But if you really wanted to stop, you would. I really don't understand how an educated person continues to smoke, knowing the health risks. Smokers really do have their heads buried in the sand.

because i have PND and am likely to flip as i havnt reacted well to medication so that is all i have before i lose it!!

wish i could give up and know i will one day but right now is not an option as i knwo i wouldnt cope

sorry to hear about the PND

sorry didnt mean to sound ranty there, its just im so down on myself about it, i hate that my 2.10 yo can say 'cigarettes' and i hate any impact i am having on her, but i have no light at the end of my tunnel atm and its all i have.......

'But if you really wanted to stop, you would. I really don't understand how an educated person continues to smoke, knowing the health risks. Smokers really do have their heads buried in the sand. '

i take it you have never been addicted to anything atall in your life then?of course,you must be perfect

'sorry to hear about the PND'

sorry you are so bloody up your own arse!

So maismor, do you really think going from sounding simply condecending to sounding outright barking will make anyone likely to listen to what you are saying?
Definately the wrong way to go with this one.