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To think this is peak entitlement?

132 replies

lalafafa · 01/03/2020 13:25

Dear parents that are worried to take your kids on a flight: (As someone who just took 4 toddlers on a flight from Vietnam to Boston, here’s our advice)

Don’t worry about anyone else except for the well-being of your children and yourself.

Don’t worry if your kid doesn’t want to sit still.
Don’t worry if your kid cries.
Don’t worry if your kids makes noises when they are excited.
Don’t worry if your kid runs up and down the aisles.
Don’t worry if your kid happens to
kick the seat in front of you.
Don’t worry if your kid leaves a few crumbs on the ground.
Don’t worry if your kid turns the reading light on and off…
Don’t
Worry
What
Others
May
Think
Of
You
As
A
Parent.
Worry about your kids well-being;
Worry whether your kid is happy;
Worry whether their diaper is clean;
Worry about the logistics of wherever you’re going;
Worry about things that are IN your control!

No doubt — every passenger deserves a comfortable in-flight experience and you should do everything in your power to help this.
BUT
Kids are not robots and we can’t control their every move — no matter how much we prepare.
They are kids.
They will be kids.
They will act like kids.
Be respectful but don’t waste your time worrying what others think. This silly idea that we must apologize for traveling with children is slowly becoming the norm and it’s ridiculous.

Again, this doesn’t mean letting your kids be maniacs. It doesn’t mean being disrespectful and making a mess and not cleaning it up. Or, letting your kids scream the entire flight and not trying to make them happy (though sometimes this is unavoidable). It means to do your best and shake the rest off.

And to those that are flying without children: Tolerance and a
positive attitude will go a long way.

By the way — our kids were not well behaved on the 13 hour leg. They did not sleep. They cried often. They made crumbs. It was hell for us because we were exhausted. We probably took over 10,000 steps up and down the aisles. But, now it’s over and in the past and we already forgot about the other passengers on the flight :)

OP posts:
Bringringbring12 · 01/03/2020 17:18

So relaxed and unjudgemental about this OP

But then on another thread about unpopular opinions you have, you post....

* I've never seen a healthy looking veggie/vegan kid*
Tattoos look awful on women
I'll judge you if your kid is fat
Putting your baby in Nursery from a couple of months old is dreadful, can't afford them, don have them

TheMotherofAllDilemmas · 01/03/2020 17:18

The vast majority of the behaviours described can be easily avoided if you stop entertaining your kid with sweets, chocolate, highly sugared drinks and other crap that makes them unbearable in a small space.

MadameBee · 01/03/2020 17:19

@Bringringbring12

Bad form to bring up the OPs posts on other threads Hmm

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 01/03/2020 17:20

can be easily avoided if you stop entertaining your kid with sweets, chocolate, highly sugared drinks and other crap that makes them unbearable in a small space.

I dunno - I plug mine into headphones and ipad, hand over a family bag of Haribo, and get them a hot chocolate when the trolly comes round and they're perfectly well behaved. Mind you they flew a fair bit up until recently, so it's not exciting for them.

ginghamstarfish · 01/03/2020 17:21

Well, won't those kids be charming individuals when they're older? Hope they give the parents hell, and they will realise that they should have PARENTED the horrible bratsw.

atomicblonde30 · 01/03/2020 17:24

I thoroughly dislike that women, or her online persona anyway. I can’t get behind someone that is as preachy as she is yet medicates her kids with melatonin for their flights Hmm

MadameBee · 01/03/2020 17:27

Has she got two sets of twins?

lalafafa · 01/03/2020 17:29

@Bringringbring12
Biscuit

OP posts:
silentpool · 01/03/2020 17:33

I am pretty tolerant in general but this is teaching your children to be self centred assholes.

Sofonisba · 01/03/2020 17:34

Tbf, her post more than once says that you shouldn't let your kids run wild and you should do your best to respect other people and keep the kids quiet, etc. Just that you shouldn't worry if they do cry or make a bit of noise sometimes. Which is all fairly obvious.

Feels more like she worded it a bit badly (or a bit confrontationally because she's an instamum and needs to encourage interaction on her profile, perhaps) and people are so keen to argue and fight online that they just lap it up.

lalafafa · 01/03/2020 17:35

Madamebee yes she has

OP posts:
Craftylittlething · 01/03/2020 17:38

You sound like an entitled twat. How dare you let your child kick the seat in front? Crumbs- fine, a bit of noise of course, kicking seats- massively entitled.

Soontobe60 · 01/03/2020 17:44

Same mother also thinks it's fine to let her toddler use the toilet seat as a dining table 🤷🏼‍♀️
www.instagram.com/p/B7ihZP3Fjo4/?igshid=191xc15rjfr2l

MadameBee · 01/03/2020 17:46

TBF I think it’s a shower of shit to put your kids lives on Instagram for all to see.

They have absolutely no choice about this.

Dontdisturbmenow · 01/03/2020 17:47

*Things that can't necessarily be helped by parents on flights:

  • Kids making excited noises
  • Kids talking a lot
  • Kids crying
  • Kids needing the loo
  • Kids being whiney*

All these can be help if you bother to do something about it. Whether it's reminding them kindly to stop their annoying behaviour, distracting them, rewarding them for good behaviour, punishing, all these behaviours can be dealt with. Problem is lazy parents who just can't be bothered, so they convince themselves these are unmanageable behaviours.

SlothMama · 01/03/2020 17:52

Some of those things are completely in your control OP, it's about being in control. Don't allow your child to kick other peoples chairs, or turn the lights on and off. The other passengers have paid for their ticket and they shouldn't have to put up with badly behaved children.

goldfinchfan · 01/03/2020 17:53

What is wrong in teaching kid to have "airplane behaviour"

why are parents not willing to teach kid that consideration for other people is a thing that is GOOD ? it is possible to make an attempt at toddler training and use bribery for a journey.
At least let it be shown that you care about other people's lives as well.
I hope the original poster DID at least say sorry to the poor bugger whose chair was kicked
what a pain these people are.

ALongHardWinter · 01/03/2020 17:57

This won't go well.

atomicblonde30 · 01/03/2020 18:01

I’m so confused, are people not reading the thread or something? Why are people going on the attack to OP? It’s not her post Hmm

The thread isn’t about OP it’s about a mum OP has seen on Instagram, OP was hoping for a discussion on this woman’s post which she has quoted

Greenandpleasanter · 01/03/2020 18:08

WOW I honestly don't mind if you see parents struggling but they are trying there best to comfort and control there kids.
But arseholes like this who really don't care about anyone but themselves or the impact they have on others is selfish

Exactly this. I have endless patience with someone who is doing their best to calm an unruly or distressed baby or child. Not so much someone who smiles and looks on indulgently as they kick the chair in front or scream.

Runnerduck34 · 01/03/2020 18:18

Tbf people can be very anti children. I think you need to make every effort to entertain them, soothe them, ensure they don't kick the seat in front . But yes they will walk up and down aisle to burn off energy and they may cry and not be easily soothed, after all that's the nature of children so I think a bit of tolerance and understanding goes a long way. To take 4 toddlers on a 13 hour flight sounds like my idea of hell as a mum !

Sofonisba · 01/03/2020 18:22

I’m so confused, are people not reading the thread or something? Why are people going on the attack to OP? It’s not her post

There was a thread recently where OP put a caveat to thread title in the FIRST LINE of the OP, and over half the replies clearly hadn't read it.

In other words, most people don't even read the first line of the first post if they don't have to. No way people are gonna go beyond the actual first post before they hit that reply button in rage.

Bringringbring12 · 01/03/2020 18:25

I really be one get this “bad form to pull up other threads.”

Op you have listed previously all the things you judge on. You don’t think that’s relevant to you starting a post about what you judge on.

Own it

Jaxhog · 01/03/2020 18:27

I hate parents like you. I understand that kids get bored on flights, but it isn't MY job to mind them.

Please, please:
Have one adult PER CHILD
Sit next to them - don't sit them next to me or in front of me or behind me, unsupervised
Get/bring something to keep them amused (NOT a GameBoy/iPad)
If you must give them one, TURN THE SOUND OFF!!
Don't let them kick my seat or recline into my lap

Grr!!

Rumnraisin · 01/03/2020 18:43

“Don’t worry about anyone else except for the well-being of your children and yourself.”

Dear...God
I know entitled arseholes have this mentality but to actually state it as something positive is sickening. YANBU