'Disturbing' film of child being involved in drag queen performance

[Iggypoppie]

Not sure of context but doesn't seem right to have a child being surrounded by adults cheering on a drag artist with arse handing out crawling on all fours towards a scared/overwhelmed looking child.

I think it speaks of a culture where parents are so afraid of not looking open minded that they don't consider the child's feelings.

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Yanbu = yes it appears like bad parenting choices
Yabu = it's fine, I'd be happy if this was my child

It’s not true is it? The ‘far more outrage’ thing. Most people aren’t outraged in the first place, they’re horrified. Is there far more horror than other inappropriate behaviour around children? No there is not. Whether it’s about porn, domestic abuse, bullying - when children are exposed to something that can be harmful for them and when safeguarding fails, you will always find many people horrified.

@lisasimpsonssaxophone - do you not think that’s part of the point? Every adult there seemingly thinking there was nothing wrong with it, including the parent and performer, calls into question the entire culture and environment that is leading people to make such a poor judgement.

Can you imagine if pissed up uncle bob did this to a small child at a family wedding? I’d like to bet there would be a punch up.

But stick on a pair of fishnets, some eye make up and lipstick and hell folk will clap and cheer you on!!

She actually looks to her mum for reassurance at one point - I think she looks overwhelmed and frightened - but her idiotic “cool” mum is too busy bopping away and clapping to notice. Really shit parenting.

It's ironic that a few posters are claiming some sort of phobia based on their assumed sexuality or gender ID of the performer,
when it is actually this perceived sexuality/self ID that is being used as an excuse for this inappropriate, boundary breaking child exploitation.

Pp nails it. If uncle Bob was behaving like this, there would be serious concerns.

Double standards and dismissal of safeguarding in an attempt not to offend (when actually, this could be a straight man wearing a costume).

They are not hard to find. I did a quick google and the Daily Mail throws up a few on the first page

Creepy. Why are you on this thread?

I was about to say that the next trope that is usually wheeled out is that anyone objecting to stuff like this is actually the pervert, creep, paedophile because they are 'reading in' safeguarding issues in to what is a perfectly innocent activity.

Utterly, utterly predictable. And it will not work any more.

If Uncle Bob was doing this some people would be objecting including me. But there would be less people with some people claiming it was only a bit of fun.

I was about to say that the next trope that is usually wheeled out is that anyone objecting to stuff like this is actually the pervert, creep, paedophile because they are 'reading in' safeguarding issues in to what is a perfectly innocent activity.

I got in there first, didn’t I? I am disturbed by the thought of that poster googling “strippers and children” in an attempt to justify preschool children at highly sexualised drag shows.

Too niche to make it to the bingo list, or at least I’d hope so.

I think drag performances could be made appropriate for children but most drag acts are for an adult audience, highly sexualised and lots of innuendo. I’d welcome more gender non conformist role models for kids.
This clip is disturbing though.

If Uncle Bob was doing this some people would be objecting including me. But there would be less people with some people claiming it was only a bit of fun.

Absolute bollocks and you know it.

An adult man is an adult man. There is no material difference between ‘Uncle Bob’ doing this and ‘Tynomi Banks’ doing this. The child is still traumatised.

Stop bleating about imagined phobia and centre the traumatised child.

I’m not sure - not enough context. And if it was a male classic ballet dancer in tights or a feathery swan costume would the outrage be the same?
The child looks as though she is sitting there as an exhibit though, while the parents look on smugly - I find this more disturbing

I’m not sure - not enough context.

In what possible context would this be OK?

And if it was a male classic ballet dancer in tights or a feathery swan costume would the outrage be the same?

It’s the sexualised behaviour that’s the problem. Bad when a drag queen does it, bad when uncle bob does it, bad when a hypothetical male ballet dancer does it.

Adults shouldn’t behave sexually in front of children, ever. It’s a very easy line to draw.

YABU for posting anything from self styled anti-feminist facist Matt Walsh...

If the clip perhaps included the parent/carer removing the child from the situation, that would be enough context

The parent is clapping away beside her

There is not one person on this whole damned planet could say that this is in any way normal. What the hell is wrong with these parents?

Wow, I guess I must be "woke"... I just don't see anything very sexual than my kids have seen when they watch older kids (preteens and teens) in their dance school perform. And the outfit itself... Their dance teacher wears less. The fact it's a man dressed up... I couldn't get worked up about it. The act didn't touch her, show anything you don't see on the street, or say anything inappropriate...
The child to me doesn't look "scared" or "overwhelmed"... Sorry about that but I'm just not seeing what you are seeing.
I wouldn't take my kids to a drag show because of the bad language and sexual references, but if we happened to be in a pub in the day and one was there dancing... I wouldn't usher them away. If they wanted to say hi or hi 5 the performer, I can't see why I would say no tbh. Is that so different to what's happening here?

He does touch her.

I put these parents in the same category as those who say they'd be happy to send their kids to a Michael Jackson sleepover. You don't have to be there to know something is 'off' about the situation, it just is.
There's plenty of family orientated things you can do that don't involve adult entertainers, so why put your kids in that position? Just let them enjoy being children and let them grow up at their own pace.

YABU for posting anything from self styled anti-feminist facist Matt Walsh...

Which begs the question, why are we having to rely on right wing Christian fundamentalist types to expose this shit?

Why isn't Owen Jones and his ilk posting this stuff and saying 'hang on a minute...'?

Is it because they are too busy inviting into schools adult entertainers with pornographic names and drug problems, who post images of school kids without their parents permission on their public adult themed Instagram? And then shouting' bigot' at anyone who does actually say 'hang on a minute...'?

YABU for posting anything from self styled anti-feminist facist Matt Walsh

I have to be honest, I've never heard of him. What's he all about?

Pomegranateseeds
Do you think that child looks happy and comfortable?

@Pomegranateseeds

The little girl (who can't be more than about 5) is sat on a chair on her own on a dance floor in the way that, a bloke on a stag do might be sat on a chair to get a lap dance. An adult male then crawls on the floor towards her in a provocative way (why crawl on the floor? It's an overtly sexy move) and then at the end he gives her a cuddle which she does not reciprocate. At no point does this girl particularly look like she is enjoying it, she is not clapping along like the other adults, she is barely smiling.

If you can't see anything wrong with that then.... 🤷‍♀️