'Disturbing' film of child being involved in drag queen performance

[Iggypoppie]

Not sure of context but doesn't seem right to have a child being surrounded by adults cheering on a drag artist with arse handing out crawling on all fours towards a scared/overwhelmed looking child.

I think it speaks of a culture where parents are so afraid of not looking open minded that they don't consider the child's feelings.

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Yanbu = yes it appears like bad parenting choices
Yabu = it's fine, I'd be happy if this was my child

'I've seen worse from the Pussycat dolls tbh.'

I have never seen the Pussycat Dolls gyrate and crawl with their arses in the air toward a small child.

As others have said the grinning adults are utter clueless idiots.That poor kid.

Another reason I think it’s fake

I sadly do not think so.

What I would say is that there is a cultural collective erosion of boundaries going on and we shouldn't be accused of homophobia if we address it.

Part of being a mature, responsible adult is being aware of boundaries and respecting the boundaries of young children.

Young children don’t need or want to be exposed to hypersexualised performances. It doesn’t make adults cool and fun and trendy, it’s exposes their immaturity and self-absorption. I like drag, a “Sound of Music” show I say in Sydney is still one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen. But drag is not for kids.

It's beyond vile. Children should not be involved in adult sexual fantasy/ behaviour in any way.

There's also a lot of "baby drag queen" stuff which is a paedo's dream as are all of these baby beauty pageants.

People are so keen to be "woke" they dare not speak out. It's child abuse, pure and simple - "drag" is adult entertainment - it shouldn't involve children dressing inappropriately and gyrating in front of an adult audience, or adults trying to draw children into sexual situations. The child might not know it is sexual - the adults do.

Many of the kids seem to enjoy it - of course they do. It's all attention for them, and what child doesn't want to be told how amazing etc they are?

I have no idea whether this is fake or not, but there have been plenty of other clips of drag queens performing for very young children. There was one of a middle-aged heavily built performer who ended up doing the splits while wearing fishnet tights and very little else below the waist. Who on earth thinks this is appropriate for young children? Why aren't their parents taking them along for storytime read by the librarian or out into the park for a bit of fresh air?

I agree with AutumnRose that taking a kid to a show meant for adults, then expecting them to change it because a child is present, is not okay. Some kinds of entertainment have age limits. For others parents have to decide what is appropriate.
I say this from the point of view of a child that was taken to plays/comedians etc with adult performances. I can remember comedians saying things like - oh no I mustn't say that as there is a child in the audience. And I think that is unfair on the adults who have gone there.
Although I don't think this is okay, sexually suggestive performances by adults in few clothes are around at lots of shows that kids go to. I don't like that either, but I don't see outrage posted about those. Let's be clear, the outrage here is because this is a drag queen.

Ok, you want to hang around in an echo chamber, like a bunch of flat earthers that's up to you.

Another abject fail. Your attempt to distract attention from the grotesque spectacle of a little girl subjected to this highly inappropriate performance is not working. The more exposure this sinister agenda gets, the better.

@janemaster

I disagree if the child was just in the audience there would be much less fuss. It's the nature of the interaction.

@Lisasimpsonssaxaphone...I too do not get all the fuss here. My daughter is 8 and has grown up around the world of performers.Call the drag artists call them what you will ..some are gay some are transitioning some are totally straight.They all have day jobs from being a supermaket shelf filler to a civil servant to a librarian to an ex banker.The people my daughter grew up with are my friends.They are beyond reproach in their daily lives with families of their own most of them and they choose to do this entertaining as a second career.They are very good at it and immensly successful.They are trustworthy and kind and outrageously clever and talented.To suggest I was putting my daughter in a position to be groomed is scandalous and I have never heard the like of it ever.My daughter knows at 8 that John is John and john pretends to be a lady who sings and dances and is funny and wears costumes to entertain people.She loves it when Aunt Lucy does her hair and lets her try on sparkly shoes and lipstick ..its all a game and never in my whole existance and any fibre of my being have I ever thought my daughter is in danger,,simply because she is not. We go visit our friends at home in real life and when they are working and its magical.Our friends children are there too and we are all a huge extended family.A man belting out the best of shirley bassey in a bikini is just that nothing more nothing less ..its a job its fun it is what it is and the same bloke doing that is also doing the school run and mending the bikes for the kids and being a responsible loving caring dad and functioning respectable member of society. Allof us would be horrified and are horrified that anyone could think of our children as being groomed...its beyond ridiculous...Infact one of the guys who was in hot pants last night is now making me laugh as he is trying unsuccessfully now to cut the grass in this weather as he wants it loking neat and tidy for his inlaws visiting for sunday lunch....normal people living ordinary lives beyond reproach....That little girl was put in that position by her parents,she looked bewildered to me I agree ..bad decision by her parents but she was in no danger she wasnt being coerced she was not being groomed...Horrified by the ignorance on this thread frankly....Infact I would suggest had the performer been more proffessional like my friends and family then they would have asked the child to go back to mum and dad,But grooming no...Simply flabbergasted at some of the ignorance on this thread...

What is this homophobia / transphobia shit??

I would think this an outrage whether it was a female pole dancer, a male stripper a la Chippendales or a drag queen.

It is the insinuation / co-ercion of an unknowing small child into titillation-based adult entertainment that is the issue. The sex / sexuality/ gender if the dancer is immaterial.

And to use accusations of homophobia/ transphobia to defend it is highly suspect.

I agree with AutumnRose that taking a kid to a show meant for adults, then expecting them to change it because a child is present, is not okay. Some kinds of entertainment have age limits. For others parents have to decide what is appropriate.

I posted a link earlier, the whole event is advertised as ‘family friendly’.

Which is clearly not the case.

Is that why your linking to a very right-wing 'news' site?

It is interesting how the left are so reluctant to cover this kind of thing isn't it?

Just like they were reluctant to cover the Cologne attacks and Rotherham stuff.

Just like when they wrote articles about transwomen in prison who were on hunger strike because they weren't allowed to go to a women's prisons, but totally neglected to mention that the transwomen were in prison because they had a long line of sexual offences including breaking into teenage girls rooms and wanking into their underwear.

It's almost as if they care more about looking woke than protecting women and kids.

I mean, little girl sat in an adult venue, whilst an adult male with denim shorts up his arse crawls towards her on his hands and knees - nothing to see here guys, nothing to see here....

Simply flabbergasted at some of the ignorance on this thread

Your wide eyed innocence does not cut it with me I am afraid. Calling women with concerns about child safeguarding 'ignorant' no longer works.

@iggypoggie Okay I get that. Because the drag queen is actually interacting with the girl. Yes that should not have happened.
But I do think the outrage is fuelled by homophobia.

Ditto right wing, transphobic etc etc

We can see this quite clearly for what it is.

Hard to tell without proper context.
I'd love to know in which context that this would be remotely an ok thing to be happening?

Although I don't think this is okay, sexually suggestive performances by adults in few clothes are around at lots of shows that kids go to. I don't like that either, but I don't see outrage posted about those. Let's be clear, the outrage here is because this is a drag queen.

Like what other shows? The girl looks about 4-5 years.

My children at the same age went to story time at the library (no drag queens, just librarians) and the Wiggles (who deliberately “wiggle” their fingers in pics with children to emphasise that they’re not touching them).

With school so far this year my youngest has gone to a wild life sanctuary and a farm. My youngest has gone to a few sporting events with his dad.

Everyone has managed to cover their arses, not touch him and not crawl suggestively up to him. It’s not that hard to avoid.

I think it's terrible and would think it was terrible whether it was a man, woman, drag queen or anyone of any orientation doing what that drag queen is doing.

How anyone can try to dismiss other people as homophobic for disagreeing with this is beyond me.

What did paragraph breaks ever do to you, Sally, that you would scorn them so?

Also, nobody is "beyond reproach". That's rather a key component of safeguarding.

Kids see drag every time panto season comes round. Panto has been around for a very long time so it's not a sudden erosion of boundaries for men to dress as women and perform for family entertainment.

I don't however agree with how this little girl appears to be singled out like it is a hen/stag do as another pp said up thread (the connotations make for uncomfortable viewing). I would also hope that something that is billed as family entertainment, is just that and is appropriate. This didn't look very much like family entertainment to me.

I guess though, for some, drag will never be appropriate.

@DuLANGMondeFOREVER Was that the same event. Sorry if I got it wrong but I am under the impression the two events are different events?

@ShriekingBansheela

Reposting my earlier comment:

The event is billed as ‘family friendly’

www.thestar.com/life/2019/10/11/drag-brunch-is-fun-for-the-whole-family.html

Quote from the article

“ That’s the best part of drag brunch is that children can come. Families can come, because they’re generally up early. I find drag brunch to be more open to everyone. Hetero couples generally wouldn’t be going to a gay bar where typically drag is going to be. Drag brunch doesn’t have this ‘it’s only for gays,’ it’s for everyone. I love the inclusion aspect of drag brunch that everyone can come. Drag is so fun and I love performing, so why not perform for everyone?” says Miss Moco.

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It’s all about increasing the audience and the number of opportunities per week for drag artists to perform/make money (rather than limiting it to Friday/Saturday nights in gay clubs). If you deliberately expand your audience, you have a responsibility to consider the suitability of your act for the new audience.

This is a fail by the venue, the performer AND the parents, who might not have expected it to be quite so sexual when they say the child down (it’s supposed to be a family friendly event) but who should’ve stepped in when the inappropriateness became clear.

As a pp said, this is grooming in plain sight.

Parents are being groomed too. Society is being groomed.

So far:

Right wing
Transphobic
Homophobic
Ignorant
Echo chamber

Im just waiting for the song lyrics

SallyCinnamon Nothing you describe fits what people here are objecting to.

A drag queen singing Shirley Bassey on stage is wholly different to the targetted interaction going on in this clip. In a dance where the dance, sexual, is in itself the main point of the entertainment.

Targeting audience members and involving them is an ethical consideration. Adults attending these events, fine, they know what they are getting themselves into. Putting a child on a chair at the front, the focus of cheering adults, to be danced to, embraced and kissed is a whole different ball game.

Although I don't think this is okay, sexually suggestive performances by adults in few clothes are around at lots of shows that kids go to. I don't like that either, but I don't see outrage posted about those. Let's be clear, the outrage here is because this is a drag queen

Well I don’t see all this sexually suggestive stuff that you say doesn’t provoke outrage. I would be equally outraged if I did.

It isn’t the ‘who does it’ it is the ‘what do they do’ that is the point.