To refuse to take the Watchtower and send Jehova's Witnesses away with parish magazine?

[Elasticwoman]

They said: hey, you've got to take a Watchtower, it was a deal!

But I welshed on it.

Was I unreasonable, and what do other people do when the God Squad come to their door trying to sell God to them?

I like "Brights", although I share Dawkins's initial mild reservations about the term.

UnquietDad: of course they think their right, thats why they call it a belief.

That's good Krang - you obviously do still want them to keep calling then

The blood issue will always be that an issue to those that see it as black and white.
The JW here have raised money to buy a cell saver that recycles your own blood rather than use someone elses. Our local hospital has 2 of these machines which is for everyones use.

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Madamez while in principle I agree with you (that people coming uninvited to your door and intruding on your privacy and therefore deserve the response they get) I think you are being extremely offensive to call people who have beliefs that differ to your own dumbfucks. It is the right of everyone to believe what they so choose and most people have not been brainwashed but have very good reasons from their culture and upbringing that lead them to believe what they do.

I also think there is absolutely no need to be rude to people who call uninvited like this. While it is one of my pet hates I will always try to be polite as there is no need to put up your blood pressure by being otherwise. However if people don't respect you and leave when you tell them you are not interested then I think they are asking for it if you are then rude.

Like I said before I have actually found JW's much more respectful when I tell them I am not interested than people trying to guilt trip you into supporting their charity or sell you something. In fact the C of E couple who live up our road are much more bolshy when I tell them we won't be giving them anything in their envelope for Christian Aid as we prefer to support non-religious charities!

By recycles, do you mean generates more? Because, well, what's the point in a cell saver if you've lost 4 pints of your own and your only chance of survival is taking 4 pints of someone else's? I donate blood regularly, for the simple reason that that one act, done a few times a year, could save one life.

When they are sucking blood out of you, it goes into the machine is cleaned and put back into. You dont need to have the same levels of blood loss as put in as the body is able to lose a certain amount before needing a transfusion. Hope that makes sense.

Lisa

lisad123, I simply do not think it is acceptable for people to knock on my door at any time that they please, despite the fact that I have a sign asking them not to, and push their brand of religion onto me. If smeone insists on doing so, then I feel at ease being rude to them on an internet forum.

As for the term athiest, UQD, there's something that I just don't like about it. I prefer to refer to those who choose religion as Arational

Oh, the cell saver actually helps stop loss of blood during surgery. So what happens if someone loses lots of blood as a result of an accident?

Horseywoman the point of a cell saver is that is can suck up your own blood while you are bleeding during an operation and it can then be transfused back into you so you don't need to be given donated blood from someone else. Its used routinely by hospitals that have one in all operations that involve major bloody loss for all patients not just JW's.

Limitations though - you often need donated blood too (although clearly this is better than using nothing). plus if the operation involves contamination as is the case in a lot of surgery done for trauma or for bowel surgery then the blood cannot be used. plus there is quite a lot of training and extra equipment needed in order to use it safely.

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haven't read thread but ROFL at you palming them off with your parish magazine!

Lazylinepainterjane - why do you feel you are justified in insulting someone on an iunternet forum because someone else who happens to believe the same as them has p*ssed you off? Surely this is only one step away from 'I got mugged by a black man therefore I feel justified in beating up all black men'?!

"of course they think their right, thats why they call it a belief."

I'm not sure if you mean you think it is "their right" or that "they're right". I'll interpret it as the latter.

Point is, it's not enough just to think it. I can believe the moon is made of green cheese or that the earth is flat. If I were the kind of person to go door-to-door getting others to believe, I'd want to bring along a few bits of documentary evidence to help my case.

I'd expect to have to argue it and produce independent matter substantiating my claim. Otherwise there is nothing to distinguish me from a wild-eyed prophet of doom or a snake-oil salesman.

there are other methods they can use to deal with blood loss but im no doctor. I would offer to send the blood dvd but wouldnt want to push my religious beliefs on you.

I do agree with what I think the underlying message of this is - that people should not knock on your door to try and convert you to tgheir religion.

I just think that some of the people on here are being unneccesarily rude and disrespectful of the right of people to choose to believe what they like

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lisa, I am genuinely interested in what happens when say someone is in a car crash and half their blood (4 pints) ends up out of them and over the road/in their car. Surely a cell saver doesn't help then?

Melowma - yes, I can see you must find it v boring...now, what name suits someone un-mellow enough to say "Don't come onot a thread and witter on about something you know nothing about....its childish."? @mon - you have to be mellow enough to agree that there is a little discrepancy? Then you could keep your name!

UQD, they do bring items to talk to you about or at least they should. Its your choice to believe what ever you like, but at the same time so do they. If it bothers you, write a list of questions for them and give that to them and tell them to come back when they can answer them.

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Oh, alicet, what a ridiculous analogy. If you actually read my initial post on this thread I clearly stated that anyone who who behaved in such a way as: (and I quote (me, that is, in case you missed it ))

"They keep coming back and won't take no for an answer because they arrogantly assume that if they keep on trying you will see that they are right and you are wrong. They think that persistence will mean you will be enlightened to god."

that they deserved such a title.

I did nowhere state that anyone else deserved the title "dumbfuck". Stop reading things that ARE NOT THERE. I in no way said that all JW were dumbfucks because some that knocked on my door pissed me off. I said that any religious caller who knocks at my door, when there is a sign, when they have been 20 times before, when I say "not interested", when they treat me like a child of 3 who has simply misunderstood deserves to be called names online.

Should we respect anything and everything that people want to believe?

That's a pretty tall order. Look at all of these for a start...

I agree with alicet.

madamez, insult the people who knock on your door as much as you bloody well like, they have invaded your privacy but just because you have no faith or religion does not give you the right to insult everyone else who has.

I for one object strongly to you calling me a dumbfuck