Give me the reasons why you are a climate sceptic?

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I'm not by the way...but neither am i overly anxious about it.
Some of my friends are and are also very against Greta Thunberg etc. So is it possiblook e to be worried about climate change but anti Greta and/ or do you think climate change is baloney?

Given the recent bush fires in Australia i think we should all be aware that we are all at the mercy of our climate, even if we don't think change is man made.

feel this demonising of CO2 and the global warming “crisis” is a diversion from what we really should be doing which is stopping consumerism, landfills, ocean pollution, and other forms of pollution to include our pharmaceuticals, PCBs, micro plastics, etc. Manage urban sprawl to protect biodiversity, wildlife corridors, etc etc.

Fully agree. We need to have far more emphasis on the REDUCE part of reduce, reuse and recycle. We're being brainwashed into thinking it's OK buying loads of crap if we recycle. It's not. Same with travel - all the emphasis on "clean" travel which is still heavily polluting and using scarce resources - when we should be reducing travel.

Do people really need to travel to Magaluf for stag/hen parties? Why should all the decent jobs be concentrated in London causing urban sprawl, commuting, etc?

Localism needs to be promoted - get jobs back into the regions so people don't have to live in/around London. Get back to more local shops so people don't need to drive miles to the nearest out of town supermarket. Promote local attractions for holidays etc.

And of course, the biggie - reduce population by encouraging people stop at 2 children.

We really can't go on pretending that it's OK because we use an electric car and recycle our yoghurt pots, yet have 4 kids, 2 holidays abroad each year, commute 90 minutes to a city job, etc.

9% of what we recycle is actually recycled. I was staggered to learn that figure.

It seems pretty futile to be furiously washing out our yoghurt pots while China are building 15 airports a year.

All because of China's booming economy based upon the West's desire for loads of consumerism crap. If the West didn't buy container loads of plastic crap, new iphones every 3 years, new leased cars every 3 years, etc., it wouldn't have such a booming economy and wouldn't need (or be able to afford), lots of new airports, power stations, etc.

Here in the West, we HAVE TO stop buying stuff we don't need. A new car will easily last 10 years, so people need to stop leasing a new car every 3 years just so they can attention-seek with a new number plate. Same with iphones, just because you're contract has ended, you don't NEED to replace it with the latest model - just go onto a sim only tariff and save yourself some money (and help save the planet). As for all the plastic tat and gimmicks for Christmas, Valentines, Halloween, etc., don't get me started!

Kazzy - if you come across a phone that will last more than 2 years, please do tell!

@Tinkerbell456
The climate is changing- it always has. Way before the Industrial Age. It was climate change that wiped out dinosaurs. I don’t think that humans can control this, I really don’t. Our planet is an evolving one.

You really don't think so, therefore it isn't true? You're a climate expert are you?

Human induced/accelerated climate change is as much fact as any other scientific discovery. I work in climate research. We're not just making it up for shits and giggles.

Did you not notice that middle-aged highly qualified experts who had finished school long ago were already saying this based on their own research long before Greta got going? Did you listen to them?

A lot of researchers are starting to push back against the panic though. Nothing substantive supports the doomsday scenarios. There is a healthy twitter debate amongst scientists about what they call the AR5 debate

There is a healthy twitter debate amongst scientists

Yes, twitter, the most high impact of all scientific journals

All because of China's booming economy based upon the West's desire for loads of consumerism crap. If the West didn't buy container loads of plastic crap, new iphones every 3 years, new leased cars every 3 years, etc., it wouldn't have such a booming economy and wouldn't need (or be able to afford), lots of new airports, power stations, etc

How dare Chinese people want a higher standard of living! Go back to shitting in holes and suffering famines every ten years or so!

The earth goes through natural cycles I'm not sure if we can directly effect or even oppose this for example when the polar ice caps began defrosting we had the technology to refreeze them we still do yet we have done nothing so my question is why is it such a big deal if we sit back and do nothing? Why dont we take direct action? There are ways to prevent flooding such as not building on flood planes not redirect rivers natural courses plant trees to hold the banks together put the dams and weirs back in place that we removed again all we do is hand wring on a massive scale and do nothing 🤷‍♀️

Yes, twitter, the most high impact of all scientific journals

Well the big researchers are all on there and I guess it’s better than doing the arguing at a conference where everyone has to fly in 🤷‍♀️

People who get that message will be inclined to vote in politicians who want to do something.
None of our current politicians (even the Greens) are advocating anything like the kind of action that is needed if we are to arrest climate change. We'll need MASSIVE changes in the entire way the world works - not a single politician with any hope of power is advocating anything approaching what would be needed.

There was a boy who at age 17 formulated a way to remove micro plastic out of the ocean and clean up the oceans no one even knows his name but the shouty girl who offers no real solution just blames everyone for the environment people know her

the big researchers are all on there and I guess it’s better than doing the arguing at a conference where everyone has to fly in

The big researchers who argue on twitter often argue for the sake of it. Being controversial gets you noticed and gets you grant funding.

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This is the weirdest thread. People don't believe in man made climate change because they don't want to. The science exists. No one on here claiming it doesn't exist is a scientist, and if they are, they certainly haven't managed to persuade a majority of scientists that they are right. And all the weird shit about the ozone layer and how it magically went away - FFS. Yes it did, after there was a global effort to ban things that were causing it. Short memories, of perhaps you were too young to remember what we did to sort the ozone. Your ignorance and 'gut feeling' is not as good as science and the overwhelming consensus that global warming is man made. And how fucking elitist to say you don't care, that's because you were mostly born into privileged lifestyles in the west where the effects of climate change are only just beginning to be felt. Honestly - I'd have thought the levels of critical thinking and IQ would have been higher on these threads.

@slipperywhensparticus the 'shouty girl' is the reason climate change has at last become a mainstream discussion amongst politicians all over the globe. She started a movement that has finally forced people to start having the discussions. And climate strikes are a totally amazing idea. No society can function without educating their children, and so striking does prove a very forceful point - the economic consequences of children refusing to learn would be absolutely massive. And why should they go to school to learn science, when all the idiots on here are saying they know better than what science has produced? Why do you even send your kids to school when you could more easily just teach them from your 'gut feelings' about things. Honestly. It's just painful to hear this rubbish.

People don't believe in man made climate change because they don't want to.

Or perhaps people realise that climate change is inevitable anyway and not all down to "man". Or perhaps people realise that farting around recycling yoghurt pots is pathetic when others are having 6 kids, others having 3 foreign holidays per year, others having a new leased car after 3 years, etc etc.

We need to change the way we live our lives radically, not faff around the peripheries. We need to stop commuting 90 minutes to work rather than pretend it's ok to do it by electric car or HS2.

People don't believe in man made climate change because they don't want to. The science exists. No one on here claiming it doesn't exist is a scientist, and if they are, they certainly haven't managed to persuade a majority of scientists that they are right.

Thank you! God this thread is depressing.

Or perhaps people realise that climate change is inevitable anyway and not all down to "man". is that their gut feeling @Kazzyhoward? You kind of made my point for me there.

@ Skierrdery Do you have anything to add other than to agree with the people saying things you like to hear?

My 'attitude' is a reponse to people saying they either don't understand the science or (far worse, frankly) that they simply don't care. The second group can just fuck off, as far as I am concerned. I don't represent any cause and I'm alread resigned to the fact that the people who 'don't care' are in the majority.

Who does independent research on anything?! I rely on universities, scientists and academic journals, not my own research thats bonkers.

This is a good summary, I'd like to know which parts are seen as virtue signalling :

www.edf.org/climate/9-ways-we-know-humans-triggered-climate-change

Its even a fraction of human history given humans are 3.8million years old. We’ve seen the polar ice caps melt and form. Lived through ice ages and hotter ages than the now or the projected few degree increases.

Modern humans have been around for about 200,000 years apparently. Besides the point though, as don't you think that comaparing the effects of a changing climate when there were relatively low numbers of humans with now, when we are heading towards 8 billion, is not really comparing like with like.

i think this is my favourite comment on here for pure stupidity

Not a sceptic but have now had enough of Greta. The child needs to return to school and learn the actual science which might support her allegations.

She's learnt the science, she's out there passing on the message from scientists. Honestly, the world is a depressing place full of insanely stupid people who have no idea how to think critically.

Also anyone who starts a comment on here with 'I think', 'I believe', or 'I'm not sure whether' can all automatically be discounted. If you're not referencing scientists when you're talking about science, then you're referring to your gut feeling which immediately discounts what you say.

There is a crazy level of ignorance on this thread. Woah