Give me the reasons why you are a climate sceptic?

[malificent7]

I'm not by the way...but neither am i overly anxious about it.
Some of my friends are and are also very against Greta Thunberg etc. So is it possiblook e to be worried about climate change but anti Greta and/ or do you think climate change is baloney?

Given the recent bush fires in Australia i think we should all be aware that we are all at the mercy of our climate, even if we don't think change is man made.

As mentioned above the Ozone Layer and Acid Rain all died a death after the hype.

As mentioned above the Ozone Layer and Acid Rain all died a death after PEOPLE FIXED IT.

My problem with Greta is that she's stood there pointlessly yelling 'Well, somebody do SOMETHING!', and that's really not helpful in a crisis (if indeed, we are in a crisis). Far more credit should be given to the engineers who are designing the electric cars, the wind turbines, and so on that will actually make the difference. Turning up the pressure with no direction is just boiling the pot for no reason.

Having said that, I'm not entirely convinced about climate change. I have 2 friends working at the Met Office (as forecasters - not in the canteen or something!) - one thinks it's all rubbish, the other one can't understand exactly how it works, but people higher up than her get it, so she'll go with what they say. But it's not entirely clear-cut.

I do think however, that even disregarding climate change, we still need to get off fossil fuels, recycle more etc. Because we're living off credit at the moment - burning dead dinosaurs is not a sustainable method of travel. So even as a climate change sceptic, I still agree with a lot of fundamentals of the green movement. Just not some of their methods or message.

Frothybothie most of the rest of your post is incoherent, by the way.

I believe that the greenhouse effect is indeed a real thing and I certainly believe that we can't keep consuming like there's no tomorrow and pumping crap into the ecosystem.

However, I do not like being lectured. Especially by those who do not practice what they preach.

Look at Harry and Meghan. Banging on about climate change and then jetting off in Elton John's private jet. And no, planting a couple of trees does not "offset" it so they can put that in their exhaust pipe and smoke it. Then the other day they booked out an entire carriage on a train. When the Queen travels to Sandringham she just books enough seats for her and her staff - she's the bloody queen, not someone who no longer wishes to be royal.

Emma Thompson is another one jetting across the world to tell us to reduce our emissions, do these people have no self-awareness?

We do need to look at how we solve the problem and I'm afraid that battery or hydrogen cars are not the answer. They still consume a huge quantity of raw materials to manufacture and are necessarily wasteful in their consumption of energy. The only environmentally friendly method of inland personal transport is a bicycle, the only environmentally friendly method of mass transport is an electric train. So, the government needs to restart the railway electrification programme (mothballed by the idiot Grayling) and stop road and airport schemes. Oh, and HS2 will help take planes out of the skies, and vehicles off the roads so it will be a good thing for the environment.

We need to look at our energy mix, wind is never going to replace the energy created by our gas turbines. The answer is nuclear. Extinction Rebellion won't like it but it is a zero carbon method of generation which can produce electricity in the quantities needed to power the country.

There's no doubt that the climate changes - it has done for millennia and will continue to do so. What I find very strange is that some people seem to think we have any power to stop it happening - we don't. It will continue changing whether we like it or not.

Of course, it's sensible to reduce plastic use, reduce, reuse and recycle everything else. Why wouldn't you? But to think it's going to stop flooding, fires, etc is a little unhinged.

Take Ironbridge. It's flooded occasionally for the last couple of hundred years as can be seen from the flood mark/gauge in the museum alongside the river.

Found a couple of pictures on on the museum's web site - interior shot showing the marks and external shot showing how high the room is from normal water levels - so the water reached almost to the top of the arched window seen from outside - maybe 10-20 feet above normal river levels. You can also see just how many times the river had flooded the building by all the marks. So maybe flooding hasn't happened too often recently, but go back a couple of hundred years and it's been pretty often over that time - 14 in total.

Highest 5 floods: 1795, 1946, 1852, 1947, 1881

Interestly, a fews times it flooded and flooded again close after, i.e. 1946 & 1947 and 1877, 1879 & 1881, 1923, 1925 & 1929, and then periods of many decades without a flood.

Credit - www.ironbridge.org.uk/explore/museum-of-the-gorge/

The highest flood in 1795 wasn't caused by plastic, cars, air travel, or farting cows.

Not a sceptic but have now had enough of Greta. The child needs to return to school and learn the actual science which might support her allegations.

People need to grow up and realise that change a) means they need to have less, drive less, fly less, breed less, eat less be less comfortable b) stand for parliament if they want to change laws and c) protest at the real culprit nations.

The world can go fossil fuel free by manufacturing substitutes from renewable electricity and air, so there is no fundamental need "to have less, drive less, fly less, breed less, eat less be less comfortable." (Although the increased cost of fuel would indirectly impact consumption.)

I think people who are saying that it requires cutting back are part of the problem. It isn't true and it makes people stop listening because they think the sacrifices are much bigger than they actually need to be.

I agree with your point (c) as long as your list of culprit nations starts with the USA, and not China, which is usually wrongly cited by those looking for an excuse to do nothing.

Because I think it's like 100 people standing on a shore trying to turn a tidal wave. Mother Nature is far stronger than us mere ants in the grand scheme of things. Plastic I'm worried about. The climate, no.

I remember about 8 years ago there was horrendous snow for 2 weeks. People were buying snow boots. Everyone was snowed in. Bread was sold out. Lidl's ski gear was sold out. Shovelling snow, gritting streets. Councils ran out of grit for the roads.

Then one morning I woke up and everything had melted. Overnight! I never was so awed at the power of Mother Nature than that day. Our tiny little futile efforts seemed so miniscule compared to the forces of Nature.

I think we're arrogant to think that we can turn the tide. There have been 5 ice ages in the history of the planet. They must have been followed by a period of climate warming. Humans were not even around for some (any?) of the ice ages.

I'm extremely worried about plastic however.

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Do I think we, the human race, can do anything to stop it? No
Do I think we, the human race, can do anything to slow it down? Yes
Will that happen? No

Sums it up frankly. So I'm not about to self flagellate or suffer guilt for doing and consuming things that enrich my life to achieve something that isn't going to happen.

Greta seems to me to be completely focused on this and nothing will sway her out of her tunnel vision.

I strongly suspect that any climate change is caused by the burning mass of lava that is the centre of our globe. Not anything us mere nothings do on the surface.

Basically, what I'm saying is that I think our climate change is the result of the forces of Physics, not us eating meat.

Man made climate change - and the risk of poses human life - is a scientific fact.

If you don't accept that, then you are an idiot. That is the only explanation.

Happy to be called an idiot.

I'm sick of people blaming farmers like me for climate change. My sheep eat grass like UK domestic animals have done for millennia.

Man made climate change - and the risk of poses human life - is a scientific fact. If you don't accept that, then you are an idiot. That is the only explanation.

The climate constantly changed long before "man" so it can't all be down to humans. There's no argument that the climate is changing - it's been changing for millions of years. It's whether humans are having any effect that is being argued about.

If you can imagine a football and 20 ants crawling over the ball. What effect are those ants going to have on the football?

Greta has finished the equivalent of GCSE's, getting excellent marks, and has taken a year out and will return to schooling next September.

The whole "she's playing truant" is just so majorly eyerolly. She has achieved more than most of the posters on in here by the age of 17.

I am astonished by the vitriol she faces. I find it utterly utterly disgusting, I truly do. She is a young woman standing up for her beliefs.. how about supporting and respecting that?

And LOVING that the ozone magically repaired itself!!! Because heaven forbid someone realise that the efforts made around the world to fix it actually worked.

I don’t like people using a young child as a mouth piece. The whole ‘save us Greta’ makes me mad. It’s too much to put on a child.

Derxa. I know. My father has probably 40 cows and 400 sheep on 120 acres. How the fuck he should have the same climate stamp as a Londoner, I don't know. His impact is spread over 120 acres of greenery!

What "humans" need to do is concentrate on resilience to "extreme" weather rather than trying to prevent it.

It's no coincidence that old villages/churches etc were built on high ground. In the village I live, ALL the older building dating from the 1700s and prior were all built on higher ground about a mile from the shore - this, despite it being a fishing village! There is nothing at all on the lower ground dating back to the 1950s and earlier. Guess which houses have a tendency to flood when the tide is high or there's been heavy rainfall??

In a nearby seaside town where I grew up, nearly all the boarding houses etc had cellars and the ground floor was several steps up from the street. These were mostly Victorian properties built when seaside resorts started to become popular around the turn of the century. They were built without electricity - the cellars were for storage, weren't plastered, had gravel/soil floors, etc - i.e. built for storage rather than habitation, so when they flooded, it didn't really matter - it dried out. Over time, the electricity metres/distribution boards were put into those cellars, they were plastered and floored and turned into bedsits, spare bedrooms, etc. Inevitably, when they flood, they're ruined and cost thousands to repair. We need to stop doing that in areas known to flood!

Greta seems to enjoy the idolatry. She seems to enjoy shouting at leaders. I mute the TV when she's on as I literally can't listen to her battle song any longer.

Take the advice in your username honey.