Give me the reasons why you are a climate sceptic?

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I'm not by the way...but neither am i overly anxious about it.
Some of my friends are and are also very against Greta Thunberg etc. So is it possiblook e to be worried about climate change but anti Greta and/ or do you think climate change is baloney?

Given the recent bush fires in Australia i think we should all be aware that we are all at the mercy of our climate, even if we don't think change is man made.

If you're talking science, it's scientific evidence I'm interested in.

I don't know where you think you are honey. This is MN. We're not a medical journal. We were asked for our reasoning and we have given it.

You on the other hand are going about the place effing and jeffing like some blustering bumbling Boris. All fur coat and no knickers.

If it wasn't for evolution, we wouldn't exist.

So that's a reason to not give a shit about climate change?

OK then, I suppose you don't take any antibiotics when you have an infection either since bacteria is also the result of evolution and its just "nature taking its course".

I'm not sure what 'critical thinking' you believe you have contributed. You've been nothing but an irritating fly on this thread.

You on the other hand are going about the place effing and jeffing like some blustering bumbling Boris. All fur coat and no knickers.

Typical response from someone who doesn't have an answer.

If you're not a medical journal on here, don't posit scientific questions.

Onionface, if you think we can turn a tide, bless you.

@Skierrdery only to you, and mostly because you won't give up your indefensible position.

@Pollyputthepizzaon Use of the Freon gas, which had caused the hole was banned and THEN after 20-30 years the hole was almost completely gone.

And yes, the weather has been different in different countries but usually if it goes colder somewhere it will go warmer somewhere else. This is not the case now.

I am not a scientist, but when the majority of scientists within a field are trying their very best to get our attention, maybe you know ... Give them your attention. Take this seriously.

I'm not sure what 'critical thinking' you believe you have contributed

Gave you three examples in that post about critical thinking.

@Skierrdery
I mean, I literally go to work every day in order to crunch the numbers to work out exactly how we can do just that.

Animals and plants don't have the luxury of air conditioning or central heating or garden fences. Rapid changes in climate and resultant environmental effects, however small they may seem to you, massively shift how ecosystems function. Food security is greatly threatened. It will bear out over the next few decades, we're only at the beginning

This is from the IPCC: Extreme events will have greater impacts on sectors with closer links to climate, such as water, agriculture and food security, forestry, health, and tourism. For example, while it is not currently possible to reliably project specific changes at the catchment scale, there is high confidence that changes in climate have the potential to seriously affect water management systems. However, climate change is in many instances only one of the drivers of future changes, and is not necessarily the most important driver at the local scale. Climate-related extremes are also expected to produce large impacts on infrastructure, although detailed analysis of potential and projected damages are limited to a few countries, infrastructure types, and sectors. [4.3.

Even the IPCC report says that while CC is a factor, it won’t necessarily be even the most important. Also hugely uncertain.

Although plants do love carbon dioxide so that’s one upside of increased CO2. Also high CO2 levels means that plants need less water overall. So it may be a wash.

You know the IPCC has been going for 30 years, hundreds of scientists reviewing thousands of scientific papers. That's what they base their findings on.

But people know better because of a gut feeling.

And geology is fairly irrelevent here. Yes we know there has been climate change before humans existed. Ans climate change that some humans have survived. But this change is caused by humans and it's too fast for species (including us) to evolve themselves out of trouble.

Which IPCC report is that? The latest overall report is from 2014, which predates the last four years of hurricanes. But yes, it is true that there is not a consensus about what the impact on hurricanes will be. The last four years were above average activity but no one can say for sure why.

If you look at just the extreme weather percentage of deaths on that website (again, not looking at natural disasters in total) you do not see a steady high declining to a low level today. You see a generally lowish level with very high spikes every 10-20 years, sometimes for multiple years. So current low levels are not that unusual.

But again, scientists are not claiming we are currently having an explosion of extreme weather due to climate change. They are debating about the future impact and whether current events are signs of a new trend.

Ok. Tsunamis.

Did humans somehow go under the oceans and set off nuclear bombs to cause them?

Could we have stopped them?

Could we have prevented them?

Can we stop climate change now?

Although plants do love carbon dioxide so that’s one upside of increased CO2. Also high CO2 levels means that plants need less water overall. So it may be a wash.

No. That's not how this all works. Have you done any research to support your hypothesis? Plenty of scientists have.

Climate change is one of a few human-induced drivers of ecosystem change. They interact in many complex ways. There is a lot of research supporting that if you care to look beyond the summary of the IPCC which isn't saying what you think it is anyway.

"However, climate change is in many instances only one of the drivers of future changes, and is not necessarily the most important driver at the local scale." does not mean that climate change is not a problem.

But this change is caused by humans and it's too fast for species (including us) to evolve themselves out of trouble

Humans seem to be doing pretty well, actually. Species extinction is often due to habitat loss which is a related but distinct issue that should not be conflated with CC. I’m worried about it, but solutions should include lifting the third world out of poverty and urbanising them, which will require access to cheap fossil fuels

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Everything has a price.

No. That's not how this all works. Have you done any research to support your hypothesis? Plenty of scientists have

this is basic stuff. Plants thrive on CO2 which is why we’re all planting trees ffs.

www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-study-rising-carbon-dioxide-levels-will-help-and-hurt-crops

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it is quite amusing how many people on here are shouting at Greta Thunberg to "get back to school" and yet who seem to have managed to get out of school themselves without any understanding of the scientific method, what a scientific theory is, how to read science, or even able to read and understand that 97% of peer-reviewed scientific studies conclude that climate change is real and attributable to human activity but instead see this as mass hysteria. I mean, what did school ever do for you?

@mangofeverdream it's not that simple. Elevated co2 levels might benefit some plants, they may or may not be the plants that are beneficial to their ecosystems. And the effects of increased temperature are likely to affect long living plants like trees more because, unlike animals, they can't just migrate somewhere cooler in a hurry.

3% don't agree.

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@pallisers thank god you're here.

This thread is a shit show of personal opinion deemed as being of the same value as scientific consensus

That 3% are studies that cannot be replicated.

If a doctor gave you a diagnosis said 97% of studies say this is your diagnosis with these symptoms would you go with the chance that they were wrong?

Pallisers. If you take a baseline of zero and then look at the impact of humans on the environment, you are going to see an impact.

If you take a baseline of zero and look at the impact of geology, physics and humans on the environment, how much is attributable to humans?