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To not know how to deal with school refusal

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DonkeyKong2019 · 25/02/2020 23:33

DD is 5 in reception. Since October 9th we have had TWO happy mornings. Every single morning otherwise at best is her sobbing all morning and at worst is extreme violence. She begs and begs not to go to school. The TA meets her at reception slightly later than everyone else for a cuddle before going to the classroom. She's absolutely miserable.

She has just done a weekday childcare with zero issues going in and genuinely excited to go. As soon as school was mentioned at the weekend she spiralled down again.

I can physically force her there and have done for every single miserable morning except 2 but at what point is enough enough? What point is fair to say that actually yes I can drag her there kicking and screaming but I'm not prepared to?

She is "fine at school" yet tonight at 9.30pm she came in to my lounge sobbing to not go tomorrow. This morning she screamed the school reception down and hid under the table after lashing out.

I feel sick at the thought of taking her tomorrow, the sadness is far worse than the kicking and screaming. I don't know what to do.

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GiveHerHellFromUs · 25/02/2020 23:34

Has she explained why she hates going so much?
Have you suggested looking for another school?

DonkeyKong2019 · 25/02/2020 23:36

She hasn't got the communication ability to explain. I suspect it's a mix of the fact she is socially and emotionally behind and is struggling with phonics and will be very aware the other children can read and she can't.

All she ever wants to do is be at home. She has a lot of sensory difficulties but they don't see any sign of them at school.

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Star81 · 25/02/2020 23:37

Did this all start after the first set of school holidays ?

DonkeyKong2019 · 25/02/2020 23:38

@Star81 no, before, literally two weeks after she started.

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Knoxinbox · 25/02/2020 23:41

Does she have a diagnosis of autism? The sensory issues, communication issues and anxiety over school are classic signs

GiveHerHellFromUs · 25/02/2020 23:42

Does she have a diagnosis/statement? Does she have the extra support she needs?

Knoxinbox · 25/02/2020 23:42

Is she actually compulsory school age?

YouFellAsleeep · 25/02/2020 23:43

I ended up removing my son from school and home educating him. I removed him around age 11, I wish I done it sooner, I still feel guilty about all the times I forced him to school. It became impossible to force him as he got older. He was like that from the day he started nursery. Everyone told me it'd get better and it never did! He missed a year of school at about age 8, then moved to an SN school (he has ASD) until I removed him. School refusal is so difficult to deal with. However, he's like a different child now he's home educated, but I know that's not an option for everyone.

ManyShades · 25/02/2020 23:47

My ds is 11 now so it was a long time ago he was a school refuser age 5 and 6. For him, it was resolved by moving him to a different school. He is autistic with sensory issues and dyslexia.

DonkeyKong2019 · 25/02/2020 23:48

Diagnosis is in progress but there is a long dispute over whether it's autism or developmental trauma and we may not get a diagnosis for several years.

Yes she is compulsory school age, she was 5 in November

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glueandstick · 25/02/2020 23:56

Another one saying home educate. She’ll pick up reading at her own pace. Right now she’s still tiny and needs to feel safe and secure.

I read something a while ago along the lines of:
‘It’s all well and good that our children can explain pythagorus or know how to conjugate verbs, but if they don’t have the emotional ability to deal with every day, what good will that be?’

LorenzoStDubois · 25/02/2020 23:57

I'd bring her into school as usual, at least until you have a diagnosis.

Neolara · 26/02/2020 00:01

Some thoughts:

If she is anxious because she doesn't know what's going to happen, a visual time table, or now and next board might help.
Sensory breaks for when she becomes overwhelmed.
Is she worried about separating from you? She needs a key person in school who becomes her replacement attachment figure. Transitional object might help - something of yours she can take with her. She needs to know that even though you are out of sight, you are thinking about her all the time. Maybe put a picture of her in your top pocket and let her now she is near to your heart even though she is at school. Sounds like school are starting the day welcoming her and making a positive start.
Worth talking to teacher to find out exactly what she's struggling with at school. Relationships? Work? Then seeing what support school can put in place. Eg buddy her up with nice kid at playtimes to ensure she has someone to play with.

gingerandsmall · 26/02/2020 00:14

I did exactly this in reception and was then diagnosed with ASD when I did the same age 12 with high school. My parents were constantly told I was 'fine at school' yet I'd break down every Sunday night begging not to go to school and by Thursday I'd be so physically ill from the anxiety caused by being at school that I'd be off sick on a Friday.

In reality, I wasn't 'fine' I was (and still am) very skilled at masking. I would/will only display emotion when I feel very safe so no school staff ever believed I had any difficulties and my mum and only one or two very skilled professionals can tell when I'm stressed outside the house.

Please don't let anyone tell you that she is only distressed when you're around because masking is very common in girls with ASD.

Nat6999 · 26/02/2020 00:55

My friend's daughter is exactly the same as your daughter but is older, she is 11 & my friend couldn't remember one day in her daughter's school life where she hadn't begged to not go to school, screamed the place down & gone in to total meltdown. This is a girl who is so talented, I have seen her sing like a professional, think Adele type singing, but mention school & she goes to pieces. She started secondary school last september & within a week had become selectively mute, wasn't sleeping or eating. My friend made the decision to home educate her & removed her from school, she is now a happy child again, who loves to learn & is doing so well, they are waiting for an autism assessment but her mum has discovered that she learns better when she is walking around instead of being confined to a desk. She has completed the whole of a year's work for her age in less than three months & is now studying for the year above, she soaks up information but can't cope with school.

AgentPrentiss · 26/02/2020 00:59

I’ve no helpful advice except I’m always astounded by the amount of people who reply with “home educate” in threads like this.

Most people have to go to work to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads. Always especially astounding on MN where the party line is “never be financially dependent on a man”.

Hmm
WTFsMyUserName · 26/02/2020 01:12

Hi, i know exactly what you're going through OP. I had the same. It's physically and emotionally draining, for both the parents as well as the child. For us it finally got better this academic year. My DS just turned 7 and thankfully we've managed to navigate our way out of what was causing the meltdowns.

Throughout nursery he was such a happy little boy and really enjoyed going. At 3 and 1/2 he moved to the pre-reception year at a pre-prep school and continued to thrive. Teacher thought he was settled and enjoyed all the activities but noticed he was never really interested in drawing and colouring. I also noticed he was never into arts and crafts at home so we just put it down to it not being his 'thing'. He was doing well with maths and phonics and blending but had terrible pencil grip and hand control.

In the following year he started reception where the school day was more structured and written work had ramped up (he was 4 and 1/2 at this point). During this academic year he struggled with producing written work (short sentences) and while he managed it in class with a little bit of extra time, he would come home and have the biggest meltdowns and mood swings, lashing out physically at me and saying he doesn't ever want to go to school. It used to take up to an hour for him to calm down from his moods. He never behaved like this in school but at home he was uncontrollable. The teacher would always mention he was behind in completing written tasks and was easily distracted in class, he was also very slow in getting changed for PE. but he never had these outbursts.

For the entire year there was a guaranteed meltdown every morning whilst getting ready for school and then every evening another. I was at my wits end until I slowly put all the pieces together and suspected dyspraxia/DCD. I got him assessed privately by an OT and they confirmed delays in balance and coordination, low muscle tone in arms and hyper mobility in hands/fingers which was seriously hampering his ability to produce written work.

The meltdowns/outburst were due to fatigue and frustration. He had to concentrate hard to control hand movement to get words onto paper that he was utterly exhausted by the time he got home. He'd wake up the next day absolutely dreading having to go to school.

Once we understood what was going on we started weekly OT sessions to help him develop his gross and fine motor skills and generally learn coping strategies. Once the school was informed he was supported by the school SENCO and his teacher allowed him extra time to get things done and had a bit more understanding of his needs and let him work at his own pace.

Later on I also started noticing he'd stalled in his reading ability which then prompted further assessments for dyslexia but it turned out to be to do with his eyes not tracking and converging efficiently which added yet another layer of complexity to his experience of learning and school.

Only when we got to the bottom of all this by the end of reception year and put all the necessary support in place did we start to see a dramatic change in his attitude towards school and learning. Year 1 was tough but the meltdowns had almost disappeared (less of an uncontrollable outburst and just the odd request occasionally if he could stay at home, which I would always diffuse by reminding him of all the positive things he enjoys at school, seeing his friends, playtime, golden time, rewards for weekly achievements...).

He's like a completely different boy now and the school has been great with supporting his needs. He still dislikes writing but absolutely loves everything else, including PE which he used to hate because he couldn't do the things the other children could.

I would suggest having a chat to the school senco and also see if you can get a referral to an educational psychologist.

LizzieAnt · 26/02/2020 03:16

@AgentPrentiss - unfortunately sometimes there is no option other than home education if your child has additional needs. Literally no other option, and finances (and financial independence) have to come second because you can't abandon your child. Depending on the resources where you live, it may be a necessity and not a choice. It very much depends too on the child of course, and the majority will eventually settle at school very well given time and the type of approach used by @WTFsMyUserName. But some don't and I wouldn't dismiss home education as out of touch and self-indulgent. Best of luck OP, and I really hope your daughter is much happier going to school (or not) soon. One of mine was very unsettled going in for the first year but is fine now. It was just age and immaturity in his case. His sibling is homeschooled now though after several years of struggling in more than one school.

Mummyoflittledragon · 26/02/2020 05:51

My dd has some sensory issues. She struggled every day at drop off in reception. I was often the last parent to leave. In the beginning and any particularly stressful days, I would sit with her in the cloakroom until she was ready to leave - usually about 10 mins. After Christmas, perhaps before the TA came every day and took her at the entrance. That was tough on her.

In yr1 she regressed. She had some friendship issues and one of the mums said something to her dd about mine (woman has issues). Result : her bestie blanked her. This along with her new found knowledge of exactly how ill I am / was sent dd into a spiral.

We didn’t talk about school. Dd would get upset about going the next day. I was very much “we will see tomorrow”. She hated taking time to get ready. I would go and get her clothes just before we went out the door and whirlwind her into them so she didn’t have time to think or get anxious about school. At the height of it and for months, she would only wear one blouse and two skirts so that was washed and dried for the next day. I bought the next size up of the same things and washed them each time with her current clothes until you couldn’t feel / see the difference. She wore her head scarf almost every day, which was her security blanket really.

She hated bathing so we didn’t do that as much as I would have liked but little kids don’t really smell. With limited energy myself and chronic illness, I made going to school the battle to get through. It’s better imo to go with things rather than against them. Some days I let her have a mental health day at home.

One thing she hated was being late. Having to go through the school office sent her into a spin. So I would be telling her we need to go now etc as the gates would be closing. I would often call dh when she was struggling to get him to talk her into going with me. School made a sticker chart. She got a sticker for getting ready for school with no / limited fuss and another one for going in with no / limited fuss.

It took a concerted effort but she got there. Her issues and anxiety got better with age. We had a child psychologist come to the house from about February in yr 1 while all of this was going on. This helped a lot. She set up a really lovely sticker chart system. Very positive for dd but was also working on her behaviour at home, which was pretty atrocious and borderline abusive of me.

She settled after many months. After this, she was very anxious with transitions. So the first day of term and the first few days of the new school year were very tricky. As she got older this lessened until there was nothing between yr5 and 6. She’s now in her first year of secondary. The summer holidays preceding this were difficult. But she went and absolutely loved her first day.

Idk if any of this will help. My dd is anxious whereas yours perhaps has additional needs. I really would recommend a child psychologist if you can afford it.

DonkeyKong2019 · 26/02/2020 08:27

@LorenzoStDubois the problem is that diagnosis we have warned will be several years away because she is complex. That's a long time for such a young child.

@Mummyoflittledragon I have found the not talking about it and a rapid morning routine with getting her up as late as possible has helped here but the anxiety of school is taking over. She doesn't want to leave the house at all now incase I'm taking her to school.

Home schooling is theoretically an option, she receives DLA and I carers allowance which means I can stay at home until her renewel when she is aged 9. It's just a scary step to take. School wise she is undeniably in an amazing school, she has built a strong bond with the TA who is single handedly the only reason she has been going as long as she has.

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DownWhichOfLate · 26/02/2020 10:59

How was this morning? My child was in the same situation and I decided it was worse long-term to force him in to school. I refused to physically make him go in, against the school’s suggestion. I think the damage that could be done through doing this might take years to undo. 5 is so very young. If you can keep her at home, do so. Is she happy going in at all? Maybe try just afternoons? There’s lots online to help with this as, by law, she needs to be in full time education so the school may start to threaten fines etc. You need to have the knowledge to deal with this. Whereabouts in the country are you? If you don’t mind saying.

mantarays · 26/02/2020 11:01

I wouldn’t hesitate, given the information in your last post. This sounds torturous for her.

Pilot12 · 26/02/2020 11:10

If she was 5 in November she doesn't have to start school until September 2020 - the law says that a child must start school in the September following their 5th birthday which in your case is September 2020.

Could you remove her from school until September?

DonkeyKong2019 · 26/02/2020 11:13

She didn't go in this morning, I literally felt sick at the idea of forcing her yet again. Have been on the phone to school on and off all morning to set up an emergency meeting and they have surprisingly agreed that actually there is a balance. There is a difference between a child not wanting to go and playing up and a child with a deep rooted issue about going and it being genuinely traumatic. They seem to respect that I can recognise the distinction.

Since October she has genuinely gone in happy twice and it's slowly getting worse not better. We are in bournemouth/poole/Christchurch LA area

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