AIBU to think the Labour Party has more chance of success with Starmer?

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I’m not a KS bot. I loved and voted for Corbyn but sadly I realise that this is not what the British people want. I’m thinking that Starmer (who for me would be a compromise politically) would give Labour a chance of a more widespread appeal.

I’m in the LP so will be voting on this issue. Most of my friends are Corbyn fans and are disappointed with me for not sticking to the true socialist path ( which really I do want). But at the end of the day, if most British people rejected Corbyn and what he offered then we’d be mad to just offer it again.

Anyway, AIBU to compromise on my beliefs and pick Starmer as a leader of the Labour Party?

Where are the John Smith’s, Harriet Harman’s & Tony Blair’s these days

Where's the Harold Wilson? He won 4 GEs for Labour, and was left-wing by today's standards.

I didn't vote Labour in December, though I have in the past and would in the future, if i thought they were the best option at any given GE.

I think Nandy is potentially the best out of a pretty low quality field; at least she's not tainted by serving in Corbyn's shadow cabinet in the last Parliament and she's seems to talk some sense.

In my opinion RBL is too far to the left (absolutely no lessons learned if that's the chosen route).

I'd suggest KS judgement is questionable, as he was the architect of the completely ridiculous Brexit position that Labour went into the last election with (nb regardless of your opinion of the pro's & con's of Brexit).

It is a shame that there isn't a stronger shortlist, as having a Government with a large majority, you need a strong effective opposition as a counterweight (whatever your political leaning) & I am not sure Labour will provide one in this Parliament.

Hopefully some more talent will arise over the course of this Parliament which could provide a better choice in 8-10 years time (as in modern political history, no party has been removed with such a large majority after only one GE, it will most likely take two).

I quite like Yvette Cooper, Hilary Benn and especially Dan Jarvis, but regrettably they are obviously not options on this occasion.

Corbyn is proven unelectable twice, still not his fault in his opinion but at least he's now got the hint.

Long-Bailey is Corbyn in a skirt so if you want to continue in permanent opposition, vote for her.

I have been a Labour voter in the past but not since Corbyn. I don't like that this country does not have a functioning opposition so anyone has to be better.

I'd suggest KS judgement is questionable, as he was the architect of the completely ridiculous Brexit position that Labour went into the last election with
He was nothing of the sort.
He's anti Brexit.
Corbyn's fence sitting caused that dumb policy.

ListeningQuietly?

Yes Corbyn was trying to sit on the fence, but KS was the Shadow Brexit Secretary and was largely responsible for formulating the policy - you can't stand as the Shadow Brexit Secretary with a ridiculous policy and then say it was nothing to do with you 3 months later.

I know he was anti-brexit, that might have been an honest policy to put forward, for good or ill at the time (it would have been ill, as the GE result proved), but trying to be half in and half out was never going to wash.........negotiate your own treaty, then argue against it in a referendum........not only complete bulls**t........but also completely against the mandate you had been elected with....

KS was the Shadow Brexit Secretary and was largely responsible for formulating the policy
No, that is not how the party has failed to work in recent years.
Most people were unwilling to work with Corbyn at all.
Starmer was,
but was so clearly sidelined in all decision making by Milne it was painful to see.
eg when Corbyn took Milne rather than Starmer to meet the EU
and why Starmer was effectively barred from speaking out during the election campaign