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AIBU to think the Labour Party has more chance of success with Starmer?

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Mistlewoeandwhine · 21/02/2020 13:12

I’m not a KS bot. I loved and voted for Corbyn but sadly I realise that this is not what the British people want. I’m thinking that Starmer (who for me would be a compromise politically) would give Labour a chance of a more widespread appeal.

I’m in the LP so will be voting on this issue. Most of my friends are Corbyn fans and are disappointed with me for not sticking to the true socialist path ( which really I do want). But at the end of the day, if most British people rejected Corbyn and what he offered then we’d be mad to just offer it again.

Anyway, AIBU to compromise on my beliefs and pick Starmer as a leader of the Labour Party?

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ilovesooty · 21/02/2020 14:12

Yes, the absolute priority has to be building credibility as a real opposition to this toxic government which we can't get rid of anytime soon.

ghostyslovesheets · 21/02/2020 14:30

Corbyn and his folllowers created a party I hated being a member of - I came close to leaving so many times - Stamer for me represents a way back.

Momentum made the party a horrible place for non worshipers of their party line - and for Jewish members and woman - the put up or leave atmosphere was toxic - yet it was us old centre left softies that seemed to be the ones doing the actual door knocking and donkey work (rather than spending our days posting memes and trolling Twitter).

I am constantly called a Blairite by people as an insult - but Blair was elected 3 times and made a huge difference to the lives of working people - Corbyn did nothing

So yes time for a change - just wish there was a woman I could vote for.

Floribundance · 21/02/2020 15:42

It’s easy to avoid any blemishes on your record when you don’t have any record of governing. When you never have to compromise. When you never have to choose between what you’d like to do and what you can get the financing for. When you don’t have to make concessions to get get some of what you want enacted.

ilovesooty · 21/02/2020 15:46

One of the deputy leader candidates has just texted asking for my vote. Shame there isn't a fuck off option.

SentimentalKiller · 21/02/2020 18:58

I don't know how anyone could vote Angela Rayner for deputy after her pathetic fawning over Lily Madigan

Jason118 · 21/02/2020 19:14

It's an easy decision to make. Who would the Conservatives prefer not to win?

Stripyhoglets1 · 21/02/2020 19:20

I'm with you but with the exception of never liking JC from the start. I knew he'd spell disaster for the Labour party and he did.
I hope KS wins. I'm leaving the party if RLB does.

SirChing · 21/02/2020 19:22

Labour need some one who can win the next election, otherwise they are just choosing who will be the next Captain of a sinking ship. I think KS will draw people back from the Lib Dems and Tories as he seems really capable.

I don't want a female leader for the sake of having a female leader. I want the leader who is good and will win. I would LOVE Yvette Cooper to be Deputy Leader though, because I think she earnt it during the Brexit shenanigans.

JudyCoolibar · 21/02/2020 21:19

At a Labour party meeting I was at, the best that RLB supporters could say was something to the effect that it didn't really matter that she won't win an election because the next election is a long way off. Strangely it wasn't an argument that anyone found very compelling.

ListeningQuietly · 21/02/2020 21:32

Women do not have a penis or testicles.
Keir Starmer understands that.

THe UK is not radically Socialist
Keir Starmer understands that

Boris Johnson and his rich chums will grind the country into the ground
only Keir Starmer can stop that (out of the 3 options)

ilovesooty · 21/02/2020 21:44

So who is people's choice for deputy then?

LittleRootie · 21/02/2020 22:04

Deputy is a tricky one, I prefer Rosena Allin-Khan but it doesn't look likely. I was ok with Angela Rayner until her support for the 'trans liberation' pledge.

Of the candidates, Starmer is definitely the stand-out - he's got a strong legal background which should be a very good counter to Johnson's lightweight burbling and he doesn't have the baggage attached to Corbyn/momentum. Long-Bailey would be a disaster.

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Mistlewoeandwhine · 22/02/2020 21:44

@ilovesooty I’m going to be voting for Richard Burgon. Firstly re women’s rights ( ironically) and secondly because I had been going to vote for Angela Rayner until I discovered that she’s been pushing for a register for home educated children and, as a home educator myself, I am very against this.

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JamieVardysHavingAParty · 22/02/2020 21:49

secondly because I had been going to vote for Angela Rayner until I discovered that she’s been pushing for a register for home educated children and, as a home educator myself, I am very against this.

Pants. As a formerly-home educated child, I'll have to vote for AR now.

Dollywilde · 22/02/2020 21:57

I’ve voted Lib Dem in the last two general elections but would vote Labour in a heartbeat with KS at the helm.

LittleRootie · 22/02/2020 21:57

What is the problem with a register for HE children?

Monkeynuts18 · 22/02/2020 22:32

YANBU, I agree with you. The most important thing for the country right now is to have an effective and electable (i.e. fairly moderate with reasonably mainstream appeal) opposition to BJ and his ilk.

Singinginshower · 22/02/2020 23:06

*secondly because I had been going to vote for Angela Rayner until I discovered that she’s been pushing for a register for home educated children and, as a home educator myself, I am very against this.

Pants. As a formerly-home educated child, I'll have to vote for AR now.*

Me too Jamie

ilovesooty · 23/02/2020 00:12

A register for HE children would make me even more likely to vote for Angela Rayner.
I can't see that women's rights are at the forefront of Richard Burgon's concerns either.

scaryteacher · 23/02/2020 00:15

Does their self righteousness make up the funding shortfalls in schools that have left teachers having to buy school supplies and essentials for their pupils?

Floribundance I was teaching in Cornwall from 2002-2006. I had to buy school supplies and essentials for my students. I fed some of them, provided pens and paper, paid for photocopying for the dept, paid for resources, so please don't say this is a Tory problem, as from 1997-2010, Labour were in power.

Maduixa · 23/02/2020 00:49

Curious - who do you like better than Starmer of the 4 Labour Leader candidates? He seems the best of a very bad lot to me. Thornberry may possibly be redeemable, but she's been on 3% or so from day 1. Long Bailey and Nandy are, I'm sorry to say, idiots.

Nandy is the worst, IMO. Her screed about the UK looking to Spain for a solution to Scottish separatism - said on national TV, literally WHILE Spain was imploding and Catalan separatists were crowning the new Spanish government, with the socialists in coalition with populists and a far-right party that didn't exist three years and four national elections ago fanning the flames - is seriously one of the stupidest thing any UK politician has publicly said in years.

ilovesooty · 23/02/2020 00:51

Thornberry isn't redeemable as she's not on the ballot. There are only three candidates.

Maduixa · 23/02/2020 00:54

Thanks, ilovesooty - I'd missed that.

NameChangeNugget · 23/02/2020 01:15

He’s the best of a poor bunch. He was a dreadful shadow Brexit secretary

Where are the John Smith’s, Harriet Harman’s & Tony Blair’s these days

Biker47 · 23/02/2020 08:47

I'd rather shit in my hands and clap than vote for Labour, but Keir Starmer is probably their best bet, I'll probably vote for him in the leadership vote, I voted for Corbyn last time for a laugh, and got my moneys worth out of that, but current government need a decent opposition for a change, hopefully Starmer can do that.