To think that most people voted to leave the EU to stop freedom of movement?

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The proposed new rules the government have supposedly set out that are designed to keep out 'low skilled' workers seem to me like social cleansing. Most recently , when people moan about 'immigrants' they are always talking about people from Eastern Europe in my experience.

What really annoys me is that almost all leaver voters deny repeatedly that their vote had anything to do with the fact they wanted freedom of movement stopped.

Sorry if this has been done to death. But why won't people just be honest?

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/

14% of the population were born outside of the UK in 2018. The vast majority were aged between 26 to 64. The majority came to work. Around 21% of the UK born population were aged over 65 years in 2018.

My worry is the sudden exodus of economically active people is bound to have an impact. We have an aging population. It's great to say that the indigenous UK population will take the jobs but that will take time even assuming that will be the case. It takes time to train people.

I'm most fearful because those who have the reins of power don't seem to be making decisions based on facts. I've never seen a time like it.

How many times do younhave to be told? There were MANY reasons to vote to leave the EU. maybe you need to read a few respectable and crdible books on the subject and look further than your nose

As someone from New Zealand I have no idea how the points system is supposed to bring down immigration. It’s dead easy to get 70 points needed. You will find millions of Indians and Chinese qualified. You don’t even have points for being young. And there is no talk of maximum visa given per year. What you will find is qualified IT professionals and biologies pushing trollies in supermarkets and working in Amazon warehouse.

Because that’s what the point system is in NZ and Australia.

£25000 is the starting salary we pay graduates here. It kills all the graduate job markets.

Care to share yours NoMorePoliticsPlease ?

Or maybe people namely parents were fed up of employers recruiting foreign workers to avoid the expense of training young school leavers who then are forced to either pay for extortionate higher education or menial jobs. Basically a cop out by businesses to save investing in Britain’s younger generation. It happens all the time where I work. Hopefully leaving EU will eventually force businesses to think further than their own bonuses.

You can't solve an "ageing population" problem by immigration. It might alleviate it, slightly, but that's only a short term solution as this requires maintaining the immigration at a high level indefinitely, which isn't possible. The UK is probably already overpopulated. Its time to start planning for the end of population growth, which will mean dealing with an ageing population.

@KenDodd what your friend’s daughter said is exactly what happen with the point system in NZ and Australia. If you look at the points proposed, it’s dead easy to get 70 points if you are a graduate and speaks English. We have a large Indian and Chinese immigrant population. In pockets of Auckland, you will find white pakehas a minority quickly (though ofc we have Maori and Pacific Islanders). But the premise is that many many people actually will get whatever point you set, because the world has a lot of qualified underworked people.

CherryPavlova

Once again, an inflammatory answer because someone suggested that we should only let people in for the skills we need. Where in my post did I suggest that we shouldn’t allow overseas workers to fill skills gaps in the NHS?!!!

Scott72
But we've had immigration since the 19th century.

I'm a little confused by your term 'dealing with an aging population,' overtones of Soylent Green there 😄

'My worry is the sudden exodus of economically active people is bound to have an impact.'

Explain the exodus? If people want to stay they can surely?

In fact we've probably had immigration for an awful lot longer than that. I guess it depends on who you mean.

'foreign born' is a particularly nasty dog whistle IMO.

Good for you, you little virtue signaller you. Foreign born is a statement of fact used by the government agencies that compile the figures. Take it up with them. I'm sure they'll be fascinated to hear what you think is a suitable alternative.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if there is a public sector focus group somewhere being paid handsomely right now to think up some new, euphemistic way of describing people who are...erm...foreign born.

dealing with an ageing population

Waits for YouGov survey question asking if elderly people should be allowed to choose euthanasia. < wonders what the average age of YouGov respondents is >

FieldOfFlameAndHeather

The prime minister is foreign born, but a lot of people would say you couldn't get a more British person. So being foreign born does not equate to not being British ?

VHS95

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-43154308

Not only people leaving, but also not coming in.

We have a current non EU points type system where I thnk you need to earn £30k so that is being brought lower. I know someone prosecuted for lying that their worker was on over £30k when they were on very little so I expect there is already some abuse of the system going on.

The bottom line is we have 250,000 more people coming than leaving each year and that is probably not likely to change to therefore British people are not likely to get pay rises due to labour shortages.

I hope people can stay if they want to. There are some very sad posts where clearly people are upset and leaving. There are also a fair amount of posts that suggest not everyone is unhappy with that situation. I've always felt that the statement 'we are full' is an emotive one.

The prime minister is foreign born, but a lot of people would say you couldn't get a more British person. So being foreign born does not equate to not being British ?

What do you want to ONS to do? Go round and interview each foreign born person to ascertain their nationality, the nationality of their parents and their exact personal circumstances? Stop splitting hairs.

'dealing with an aging population'. That's a common expression though isn't it? It doesn't mean Soylent Green/Logan's Run. It means planning for the effects of a older population without the vain hope that you can somehow solve the issue with high immigration.

Scott, how do you propose to 'plan for the effects'? Immigration isn't a new thing for this country. Give me some specifics.

Scott, how do you propose to 'plan for the effects'? Immigration isn't a new thing for this country. Give me some specifics.

Immigration itself isn't new, but in terms of unprecedented numbers in a such a short space of time, from such a wide range of different countries with differing cultural values/religions/languages/this is absolutely a new thing for us to deal with.

Integration always has and always will be an issue. It's not just a British problem - it happens everywhere. It can take a generation or two for immigrants from a country that is 'new' to the host country to integrate properly (some never truly do - they don't want to, frankly.)

People who think it's just a simple case of white British people needing to get over themselves and be a bit less racist are idiots.

I am not trying to split hairs FlameandHeather .

The UK voted for someone who was foreign born to be the Prime minister. Granted a lot of people were probably unaware that he wasn't born here and probably more still, care even less. They don't see him as foreign even though he was foreign born.
I just wonder what the criteria are that makes people assume someone isn't foreign born or makes them not care if they are ?

Also the immigrants get old and need care.

We have had so much non EU immigration at the same time in the last 29 years. Perhaps the government needs to see who is here and what jobs they are doing and if they are economically active before letting even more people here. It's just ridiculous