To think that most people voted to leave the EU to stop freedom of movement?

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The proposed new rules the government have supposedly set out that are designed to keep out 'low skilled' workers seem to me like social cleansing. Most recently , when people moan about 'immigrants' they are always talking about people from Eastern Europe in my experience.

What really annoys me is that almost all leaver voters deny repeatedly that their vote had anything to do with the fact they wanted freedom of movement stopped.

Sorry if this has been done to death. But why won't people just be honest?

Greece, Portugal, Spain also have an educated population and much higher unemployment meaning where things can be outsourced (IT, call centers etc) they currently have a huge advantage with regards to wage costs.

Governments are responsible for infrastructure, some have spent more on it than others, but at the end of the day the average person in the street isn't responsible for ensuring that the infrastructure is in place for the population, the Government is.
But it is always far easier to blame some bloke from Poland for the lack of funding than it is to hold a government to account for its inadequacies.

I couldn't agree more with this.

I see so many native people where I live who frankly are waste of oxygen

Bloomin heck - not often you get away with saying something like that on mn.

I was talking to a friend's adult phd student statistician daughter about the end of FOM the other day. She had projected that because of the end of FOM, if human behaviour remained similar to now, the UK would become a minority white country. This was because fewer EU citizens would come here which meant more people from the rest of the world, mostly Asia. EU immigrants are mostly young and single, often tend to work here for some years then move on. If they stay long term they more often marry into the local population, once married/partners, they have one or two children. Immigrants from Asia more often bring families from home and have a larger number of children, not many more children but more significantly (apparently) they have their children younger. When the children grow up, because of arranged marriages, a number of second and even third generation children marry partners from the 'home' country who then also come to live here and the couple have children younger than EU nationals do. Ultimately most of these people aren't immigrants as they are second, third even fourth generation British, so people who are anti immigration should have absolutely no problem with this.

This news really made my day, I'm just sad my racist mum who voted Leave 'because of all the Muslims coming here' is unlikely to live to see it.

I'm just sad my racist mum who voted Leave 'because of all the Muslims coming here' is unlikely to live to see it.

All those damn EU Muslims that keep coming!!!

I don’t think everyone who voted to Leave is racist or xenophobic but fuck me, some people on this thread give Leave voters a bad name. “I once saw some people sat on gravestones and I guessed they were Eastern European so I hate immigration!!!” As if British youths don’t twat about in graveyards and elsewhere all the time.

I voted Remain, and I honestly think that on both sides a lot of people didn’t really know what they were voting for. I do think a lot of (not all) Leave voters chose to vote the way they did for uninformed, xenophobic reasons, however. And some comments on this thread definitely support that!

It’s always ‘we wanted to take back control of our borders and laws’ 

Why does that opinion deserve a ?

Do you want it to become a Moslem majority country Ken?

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Don't care either way. I do want people motivated my racism to lose though so for this reason I would be happy.

Why does that opinion deserve a

Because it's a sound bite rather than an opinion borne of a reasonable thought process. It generally doesn't stand up to scrutiny either.

What tends to happen when people mvoe here is they may have large families to start with but usually n most cases they tthen go down to about 2 children due to the costs of the UK etc and better education for women (other than a few communities such as at Stamford HIll where large families remain a norm) so I would be surprised if we had a major xchange to our 82% white population not that it matters either way (or 98% white in the Northumberland where I am from).

Do people really believe that immigration should be unlimited? If so, how many people do you think we can fit on our small island? There needs to be careful examination of where the skills shortages are and then people brought in to fill those gaps.

BunsyGirl. I think completely open borders is never going to be a vote winner but I know full well I’d rather the Romanian taxi driver or surgeon, the Spanish nurse, the Polish radiographers and Estonian hotel receptionist than many of the very right wing, entitled, little island for us, white working (or not) class Brexit voters.

The more freedom of movement there is, the more likely people are to come for a bit then move back home.

It is funny isn’t it, back in the days of the British empire people had no issue with swarming over to foreign countries, steal their resources, take their land, send over their criminals etc.

In fact I bet the people against freedom of movement now are proud of the British empire.

I voted Remain, and I honestly think that on both sides a lot of people didn’t really know what they were voting for

How can someone voting for Remain I.e. keep it as it is, not know what they were voting for

When the children grow up, because of arranged marriages, a number of second and even third generation children marry partners from the 'home' country who then also come to live here and the couple have children younger than EU nationals do
I think it is the case now that many Muslims come in as arranged marriage partners. The age was raised to 18 a few years ago I think by the gov. Insisting immigrants must speak English should help integration here.
In Douglas Murray's book The Strange Death of Europe he predicts that Austria, I think it was, will have a majority Muslim pop by 2040 ( or some date not too far away).

Bunsy people will counter this argument by showing you a map of the UK and all the green/hilly bits with sod all infrastructure or work opportunities and use it to argue that the UK is nowhere near full up.

Never mind that immigrants don't go and live in the wilds of Scotland, they want to live urban areas near their mates from home and where resources are already stretched very thin indeed, in terms of housing and where land is more expensive to rents are high and therefore housing benefit payouts are high.

Scotland recently released that pro- EU video saying aomething about immigrants being welcome in Scotland, the subtext being how much nicer and less racist they were than nasty old England.

There are currently approximately 9.5 million people living in the UK who were born outside of it, and Scotland currently hosts only 5% of them. That's compared to a whopping 91% in England, 35% of which are in London alone.

I'd say (purely hypothetically of course) let's move a few million foreign born people out of areas of England that are stuggling with the housing, school places, GP access, integration etc, and resettle them in lovely cuddly Scotland. Then we'll go back in a year or two to how they are coping with that, and see of they keen to take another few million.

How can someone voting for Remain I.e. keep it as it is, not know what they were voting for
Well ask anyone the name of their MEP and what they'd been working on and they wouldn't have a clue ime. I did have a clue on what my MEP was doing (or wasn't doing would be more appropriate) hence voted leave.

ie. keep it as it is if the EU wasn’t going to expand and evolve than I would have voted remain. It wasn’t and isn’t going to stay the same.

Well ask anyone the name of their MEP and what they'd been working on and they wouldn't have a clue ime. I did have a clue on what my MEP was doing (or wasn't doing would be more appropriate) hence voted leave

That’s about voting in the EU elections themselves not the referendum.

Although if you only had a problem with your MEP but not the EU itself, then why vote Leave?

I don’t disagree though, people don’t understand what the EU actually does hence all the nonsense about taking back control.

Institutions have to change, because times change.

I get that some people didn’t like the idea of the EU changing but I bet my bottom dollar they didn’t actually know what those changes really were.

I'm in rural Scotland and there are very few immigrants of colour. Some from E Europe. We have black and Asian doctors who may or may not be U.K. born who, thankfully , come to work in our regional hospital.

I'm in South Wales and my constituency voted leave. I think it's around 99% white. When I was house hunting I used Street Check to look at stats for crime/culture/employment etc. and every area would just have one Chinese person or two black Carribbean out of about 400. Half of my family voted leave and whenever questioned they would just repeat sound bites from the Daily Mail or say how life has got worse over the past thirty years and they could only attribute this to the EU - it couldn't possibly just be our own government for some reason.

I have worked in hospitality for ten years and the EU workers I have hired have always worked 45 hours with no complaints and no doubt paid as much, if not more, tax than many others. They also often go home to use facilities and healthcare in their own countries. Since the referendum I have found it increasingly difficult to hire chefs in particular. I now get about 3 or 4 applicants when a position is open as opposed to the 10 or so I would have previously had.

FieldOfFlame - 'foreign born' is a particularly nasty dog whistle IMO. Boris Johnson was 'foreign born'. So was my daughter. Both are British, however. I think the phrase is intended to provoke a particular response, so well done for using it

How can someone voting for Remain I.e. keep it as it is, not know what they were voting for

I was about 22 when the vote took place and I know full well my boyfriend at the time and some of my friends just voted Remain without really knowing anything about the EU and why they wanted to stay in it.
Obviously I’d say many more people voted Leave without knowing what they were voting for.