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To think #BeKind is rather ironic

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SpokeTooSoon · 20/02/2020 11:13

Given that Caroline Flack was allegedly a serial abuser.

It’s a personal tragedy for her family. But all these celebs coming out of the woodwork to canonise her and instruct the rest of us to be kind is rather ironic, no?

Personally I don’t think the size of the cut on your head is relevant after your partner has hit you and caused you to ring 999. There may be no scar at all - it is still violence.

Caroline did seem to be a lovely, bubbly, friendly person. But she clearly had ongoing mental health issues and needed professional help, not more media spotlight. That was for her and her loved ones to pursue.

She was facing the end of her career, a criminal record, a public shaming and it was more than she could handle (perhaps more than any of us could handle, I don’t doubt that). I do feel genuinely sad that she felt such desperation in her final moments.

But the response to this has been completely wrongheaded. The hashtag BeKind? When what started all of this was an act of violence? The lecturing of the public to be nicer to celebs on Instagram when all they’re trying to do is show off how much better they are than ordinary mortals. It’s all so self-serving. Social media didn’t kill Caroline Flack. She could have deleted it from her life. She had very specific, concrete reasons to feel desolate at the end - real-world problems that overwhelmed her.

It’s a tragedy in the truest literary sense. The downfall of a great hero by their own flaws.

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Hont1986 · 20/02/2020 12:20

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undomesticgodde55 · 20/02/2020 12:20

I don't feel there is anything wrong with the hashtag be kind. I would hate to be famous because everybody has an opinion on the way you look, act, date etc. You just need to watch Jessie from little mix documentary, all she wanted to do was enter a competition and sing and the amount of abuse she received was horrendous. Taylor Swift the same and even billie eilish on the Brits stated she's felt hatred towards her recently. They receive a level of abuse we will never understand or know about via social media from keyboard warriors hiding behind screens. How could that not affect the way you feel about yourself?

TheMemoryLingers · 20/02/2020 12:21

It's social media bollocks. If you're genuinely trying to be kind, you don't need to advertise it with a hashtag.

Cornettoninja · 20/02/2020 12:21

@Hont1986 you might want to look up the definition of a paedophile before you make yourself look like more of a twat.

It’s categorically impossible for a 17 year old to be the victim of a paedophile.

Cornettoninja · 20/02/2020 12:22

Fuck me you did - and yet still believe you’re right. Baffling.

x2boys · 20/02/2020 12:23

Well this thread certainly isn't kind is it? The women's been dead less than a week Its rather disrespectful to Caroline ,s family and friends ,I have no.idea if Caroline was abusive or not ,I do know ( from personal experience) that the CPS can and do charge people with assault with little or no evidence but regardless of that the women's dead what do people hope to achieve from threads like this?

Thorilicious · 20/02/2020 12:23

If you wouldn't call a 31y/o man dating a 17y/o girl a pedophile then you have something wrong with you.

Except, that's not the description of a pedophile. Yes, you may not agree with the age difference, but she wasn't a pedophile!

sendhelpppppp · 20/02/2020 12:23

i agree that its bollocks, and actually i find its people who i know in RL who are inherently not kind that are posting it.

Someone i know posted that, and then not 24 hours later posted something making fun of one of the Love Island contestants. It took everything i had to not comment a screenshot of her own "be kind" post from a day earlier.

I havent seen a single celeb even make reference to the abuse allegations. Its like they never even happened. I dont personally think thats OK at all.

Hont1986 · 20/02/2020 12:24

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ChocolateQuiltedShitPig · 20/02/2020 12:24

Fuck me you did - and yet still believe you’re right. Baffling this.

Also, this thread is vile. No one knows what happened and the woman is dead

P1nkHeartLovesCake · 20/02/2020 12:24

Hasn’t everyone hit puberty by 17 Confused

Karcheer · 20/02/2020 12:24

I don’t like how all the celebs/instagramers have made her death all about them.

iklboo · 20/02/2020 12:25

I'm really hating the FB sudden trend of 'post a pic of yourself you love and tag in all your female friends to show support'. Support for what? Caroline Flack wouldn't have known me if I stood up in her soup and farted the national anthem. Who exactly am I supporting by posting a picture of me where I don't look like I've been to an all night rave with Worzel Gummidge?

It's not going to stop social media bullying. Just for 'orrr hun u lewk gawjuss'? No thanks.

Sparklingbrook · 20/02/2020 12:27

#BeKind seems to have passed this thread by that's for sure.

sendhelpppppp · 20/02/2020 12:28

No one knows what happened and the woman is dead

we do know that the CPS had enough evidence to take the case to court. And her boyfriend knows what happened doesnt he?

I also dont agree that just because she's dead we cant have an opinion on her. I feel massively sorry for her that she felt her only way out was suicide, but imo that doesnt negate what happened.

StealthPolarBear · 20/02/2020 12:28

So is the definition Hont1986 posted wrong?.
I had no idea she'd slept with a 17yo but she was violent to her partner (AFAIK she didn't deny it). I hold women and men to the same standards and think violence isn't acceptable. Its sad she took her own life but its disingenuous to think social media was more to blame than the fact she was a violent person.

MintyMabel · 20/02/2020 12:29

I think the #bekind is ridiculous and just one of those silly fads.

But YABU to suggest that because it was kicked off by one event, we should dismiss the discussion around social media and how it impacts on people.

Many have been entirely innocent but hounded on SM. Even if they have allegedly done something wrong, being hounded to death isn't an acceptable punishment. We shouldn't forget it happens far more to women than to men. We've seen Male celebrities treated far more favourably where they have been violent. Compare the treatment of Joey Barton to the treatment of his victim. It's too easy to say the medias aren't to blame and someone who takes their own life must have other problems.

There is no one thing that leads to it, but there can be one thing that tips the scales.

Karcheer · 20/02/2020 12:31

@iklboo i tell you what i really don't like " If I didn't tag you, please, no offense. I tried to choose people I thought would make this challenge fun!! .."

How hurtful is that... so i didn't select you because i don't think you're fun!

HelgaHere1 · 20/02/2020 12:31

I go on MN and occasionally skim Twitter.
No one has #Bekinded me.
Posters are berating celebs or saying CFlack should have stayed off s media. But you're all on it yourselves. If you don't want to be criticised by those poor celebs stay off it yourselves.

iklboo · 20/02/2020 12:32

Exactly @Karcheer - not much #BeKind in that is there? Plus the emotional blackmail of 'don't disappoint me'.

Hont1986 · 20/02/2020 12:36

Why have my comments been deleted? Is anything in them untrue?

Sparklingbrook · 20/02/2020 12:38

Yes, that’s why they were deleted @Hont1986 Hmm

Xansaf · 20/02/2020 12:40

Whilst I don’t agree with canonising Caroline Flack, I don’t know how anyone can have a problem with a reminder to be kind.

itsgettingweird · 20/02/2020 12:41

Agree. Had this conversation with many.

Also with regards the apparent post she wrote before her death.

I have sympathy and empathy for her. She was clearly having a MH crisis and struggling.

She should have admitted her crime, booked into rehab away from the media and got herself sorted. She was in a position financially that many aren't to do this.

But she wasn't kind in this world to everyone. I've no doubt she was a great friend to many though. And using MH etc as an excuse to be unkind and physically assault someone is not ever ok.

P1nkHeartLovesCake · 20/02/2020 12:42

Yes they were deleted because you don’t know what your talking about

17 and 31 is an age gap and you don’t have to agree with it but it’s all perfectly legal 🤷🏻‍♀️