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Is this gaslighting?

66 replies

beeblabs · 17/02/2020 21:44

Hi there,

I've recently gotten married, but we're already arguing about money, etc. I'm pretty much a SAHM during the week but I work 16 hours on weekends and I'm in college once a week doing training. I get around £730 a month and my husband is on around £1300. We split all the bills in half - rent, council tax, etc. I do most the food shopping and he'll get bits and pieces.

We live in a rural area and I've recently passed my driving test. I also quit my contract at work to become relief staff - so I can pick up shifts during the week, rather than work EVERY weekend (consequently not seeing most my friends who work mon-fri!). When I told my hubby that I wanted to stop working weekends and had moved onto a zero-hour contract, and that I wanted to find a car so I have more freedom during the week, he basically told me that I've put him in financial trouble (by "quitting" work) and that I don't have the money to run a car. I've done a budget and I do have just about enough (but I would find more care work if I had my own transport). He basically told me, "get a car then, but I don't want it affecting me financially", and (a few weeks prior) "you need protecting from yourself, look at the state you've gotten yourself into" (this was after I'd had an argument with my mum and we were about to go to a local car dealers - which I'd begged him to take me to). He also gave me crap for taking out a £1200 loan - said I was too "impulsive" and this is why I shouldn't buy a car on my own.

Prior to having our son, I took home more money than him. I worked days AND nights and saved a few thousand. I've lent him money for courses, I paid for most of our wedding, I bought most our furniture, and still managed to save enough to pay for my college course on top of everything. He had a lot of financial ties and outgoings, which is why I didn't mind paying for a lot of stuff. Now my savings have run out and I'm on less, he's made it clear that he won't contribute more towards rent or council tax, etc. He doesn't want to put me on his insurance (although I've offered to pay the extra). He told me that if I buy a car, he doesn't want it to affect me buying food or gas, etc (of which I pay the majority anyway!).

Taking out this loan was really unlike me. I pay off my credit card each month and I rarely go into my overdraft (unlike DH, who lives in his!). In other words, I'm not that "impulsive". I also don't think I'm being unreasonable for wanting my own car, and not wanting to work every weekend... but he's told me that he feels like "I want it all" whereas he has to go to work 5 days a week. (I should mention, he's also spent hundreds on 'business ideas' which never materialised!)

I cook, I clean, I look after our son. I can't remember the last time he did the dishes or put a load in the washing machine. I come home from work on weekends and have to do everything. I receive universal credit and he basically joked that I get money for "sitting on my arse" yet he's also criticised me for having too 'high standards' re the housework.

I've been stewing on everything a lot and now I'm f^ing furious. I tried talking to him about it tonight and he basically made me feel as though I'm being unreasonable, but I held my ground. I told him I needed space and later this evening, he came down and said he's here for me no matter what and he'll give me the space to find my wings. Confused is an understatement. I have no idea what to think anymore. When he said that to me, I felt like such a pr*! I'm sat here in tears doubting my own sanity! I really don't know what to do now!

Some advice would be appreciated!

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avocadoze · 17/02/2020 21:50

What you’re describing doesn’t sound like a partnership between equals. Marriage isn’t meant to work like that: you’re paying half despite earning less and having the childcare responsibilities. Can you get advice IRL?

Whatisthisfuckery · 17/02/2020 21:52

Not sure if he’s gaslighting but he sounds like an utter twat. He was happy to take your money so you ended up with nothing, and he’s quite happy to see you pay 50% of all bills even though he earns nearly 100% more than you do. What exactly do you see in this selfish cock lodging arse?

beeblabs · 17/02/2020 21:53

@avocadoze silly question but what's IRL? And no, it doesn't feel fair :(

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beeblabs · 17/02/2020 21:57

@whatisthisfuckery I didn't think he'd do that to me! I want our marriage to work - partly out of pride, admittedly!

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Really123456 · 17/02/2020 21:57

Wings for what? Flying away?!

BecauseReasons · 17/02/2020 22:01

We split all the bills in half - rent, council tax, etc. I do most the food shopping and he'll get bits and pieces.

WTAF??? Why? He's a massive twat.

Kirkman · 17/02/2020 22:03

I cant see gas lighting but a few things jumped out at me.

Where is the £1200 now?
If dp effectively quit his job, after taking out a loan and become 'relief' (so no guaranteed income) and told me after or presented it as a done deal, I would be angry too.

If the £1200 has been spent AND you want a car and you have put yourself in a position where you have no guaranteed income how are you getting the car?

But he also sound like an arse and isn't doing his fair share. That needs to change.

Is he normally an arse or is the financial pressure too much for him?

You seem to have seperate finances (you said I get UC not we) and it appears to be causing problems.

ShawshanksRedemption · 17/02/2020 22:03

You're married with a child. Your finances should be supporting you both equally, not ring fenced off from each other. Might as well not get married if everything is going to stay separate!

Kirkman · 17/02/2020 22:04

And why are you paying half the Bill's if you earn substantially less?

What do you mean you hot married and wanted it to work out of pride?

Whatisthisfuckery · 17/02/2020 22:05

I think you’ve misplaced your pride OP. My pride wouldn’t let some low rent arsehole financially destroy me and watch me suffer.

Kirkman · 17/02/2020 22:06

When I told my hubby that I wanted to stop working weekends and had moved onto a zero-hour contract

This sentence suggests you discussed it with him first. Until the end when you said you had already moved to a zero hour contract.

amatsip · 17/02/2020 22:13

IRL = In real life

beeblabs · 17/02/2020 22:13

@kirkman the £1200 is still in my bank account. I wanted to buy a cheap runaround as I'm sick of asking him for lifts everywhere - yes, I know it was stupid and lots of people manage without driving, but the public transport here is abysmal and it was a moment of madness! Like I said, it's not usually like me!

I understand what you're saying, but I work as a carer and the last time I worked as relief (for the same company) I was never short of hours.

I think the financial pressure is getting to him. He's moving up the ladder and is starting to be able to afford the things he wants...prob doesn't want me sabotaging him!

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Kirkman · 17/02/2020 22:17

I get that you probably will get the hours.

But this is the sort of thing a couple would discuss before hand.

This is what I mean, you appear to not be working as a couple.

Dont get me wrong he needs to do more at home. Definitely. But that's just another example of how you donr work as a couple. At the moment you are paying interest on £1200 that's sat in your bank.

I dont think your plans are unreasonable.

But so much humps out as though you arent a team

beeblabs · 17/02/2020 22:18

I told him beforehand that I was sick of working every weekend and he basically said it was tough and that he has to work 5 days a week (fair point). As I know there are always hours and shifts to pick up, I went ahead anyway and asked for a zero-hour contract.

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Pumpkinandpeas · 17/02/2020 22:21

I'm confused at the point where you state you get universal credit? 2k a month between you plus benefits should surely be enough, more than enough, to pay bills and have your own cars etc?

CSIblonde · 17/02/2020 22:21

Why do you pay for the majority of food & gas if you earn a lot less? If you worked out you can afford the loan & a car means more work too, I can't see the issue. You also say you're training which makes you more employable & is sensible long term forward planning, hardly 'impulsive' . He sounds like he's used you for money but thinks he can dictate financial decisions. I'd be wary of a future with him & your life being financially propping up his repeated 'business idea' failures.

beeblabs · 17/02/2020 22:22

@kirkman You are right! We need better communication for it to work! The £1200 was silly, but I didn't think he'd help me.

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beeblabs · 17/02/2020 22:29

@pumpkinandpeas you'd think, but he won't get a joint bank account so I don't know where it's all going. He has previous debts and a car on finance. Up until recently, he was paying over £70 for his Apple phone. Like I said, I only get £730 a month and I do the best I can! I'm on minimum wage and I have no idea how much UC we'll get - probably not much!

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BobbyBlueCat · 17/02/2020 22:34

That's not gaslighting. Why everyone seems determined to use this label these days baffles me. People are allowed to just be shits without having a label.

You were very unreasonable to (basically) quit your job without discussing it first. Telling him you didn't want to work weekends anymore and actually having an adult conversation about whether it's sensible are not the same thing.
To then take out a loan was stupid.

I know you say you'll have no issue picking up bank shifts, but they are not guaranteed. That should have been a joint decision.

And your a wife and mother. Quitting a job because "all your other friends work Mon-Fri" is something a teen/early 20s singleton does. Not someone with responsibilities.

I'd be pissed off with you too.

However, I don't think he's been particularly tactful about it all.

YOU gave him money in the past. He didn't force you. You could have said no. Like he is doing with you now. So you can't hold that against him.

I think this is more a lack of communication (on both parts) than abuse.
It's not a deal-breaker.

beeblabs · 17/02/2020 23:05

@BobbyBlueCat I respect your opinion, but my son is 10 months old and I'm still his primary carer (hence why we receive UC). I'm not legally required to go back to work full-time until he's 3 (this is what the job centre have told me - I discussed it with them beforehand). I'm also on minimum wage, working 16 hrs a week. I can't get a full-time contract during the week because I don't have a car and I can't do nights anymore because I have a ten month old. I feel I have more chance of getting work on bank (as people are always taking holidays, mat leave, sickness, etc).

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Commonwasher · 17/02/2020 23:15

I think it’s sensible to get a car and do bank work in the week.

Is he just annoyed you didn’t discuss it? Or does it suit him that you are out all weekend, are reliant on him for lifts and have limited financial independence??

SnowyRacoon · 17/02/2020 23:25

This is not Gaslighting, you have been foolish leaving a contracted job for Bank Shifts which are not contractible meaning a loss in income which cannot be guaranteed. Take responsibility for your actions OP

SnowyRacoon · 17/02/2020 23:33

And as for UC, I think you will struggle with this because of the uncertainty with your bank shifts every week. You will never get the same amount therefore cannot budget properly. I think applying to the local Hospital HCA Bank would offer better rates of pay, but care work is 24/7, who will look after your 10 month old during the week when you pick shifts if any up?

BecauseReasons · 17/02/2020 23:36

Seems like you're his meal ticket, OP.