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Is this gaslighting?

66 replies

beeblabs · 17/02/2020 21:44

Hi there,

I've recently gotten married, but we're already arguing about money, etc. I'm pretty much a SAHM during the week but I work 16 hours on weekends and I'm in college once a week doing training. I get around £730 a month and my husband is on around £1300. We split all the bills in half - rent, council tax, etc. I do most the food shopping and he'll get bits and pieces.

We live in a rural area and I've recently passed my driving test. I also quit my contract at work to become relief staff - so I can pick up shifts during the week, rather than work EVERY weekend (consequently not seeing most my friends who work mon-fri!). When I told my hubby that I wanted to stop working weekends and had moved onto a zero-hour contract, and that I wanted to find a car so I have more freedom during the week, he basically told me that I've put him in financial trouble (by "quitting" work) and that I don't have the money to run a car. I've done a budget and I do have just about enough (but I would find more care work if I had my own transport). He basically told me, "get a car then, but I don't want it affecting me financially", and (a few weeks prior) "you need protecting from yourself, look at the state you've gotten yourself into" (this was after I'd had an argument with my mum and we were about to go to a local car dealers - which I'd begged him to take me to). He also gave me crap for taking out a £1200 loan - said I was too "impulsive" and this is why I shouldn't buy a car on my own.

Prior to having our son, I took home more money than him. I worked days AND nights and saved a few thousand. I've lent him money for courses, I paid for most of our wedding, I bought most our furniture, and still managed to save enough to pay for my college course on top of everything. He had a lot of financial ties and outgoings, which is why I didn't mind paying for a lot of stuff. Now my savings have run out and I'm on less, he's made it clear that he won't contribute more towards rent or council tax, etc. He doesn't want to put me on his insurance (although I've offered to pay the extra). He told me that if I buy a car, he doesn't want it to affect me buying food or gas, etc (of which I pay the majority anyway!).

Taking out this loan was really unlike me. I pay off my credit card each month and I rarely go into my overdraft (unlike DH, who lives in his!). In other words, I'm not that "impulsive". I also don't think I'm being unreasonable for wanting my own car, and not wanting to work every weekend... but he's told me that he feels like "I want it all" whereas he has to go to work 5 days a week. (I should mention, he's also spent hundreds on 'business ideas' which never materialised!)

I cook, I clean, I look after our son. I can't remember the last time he did the dishes or put a load in the washing machine. I come home from work on weekends and have to do everything. I receive universal credit and he basically joked that I get money for "sitting on my arse" yet he's also criticised me for having too 'high standards' re the housework.

I've been stewing on everything a lot and now I'm f^ing furious. I tried talking to him about it tonight and he basically made me feel as though I'm being unreasonable, but I held my ground. I told him I needed space and later this evening, he came down and said he's here for me no matter what and he'll give me the space to find my wings. Confused is an understatement. I have no idea what to think anymore. When he said that to me, I felt like such a pr*! I'm sat here in tears doubting my own sanity! I really don't know what to do now!

Some advice would be appreciated!

OP posts:
Skysblue · 18/02/2020 08:11

I don’t understand why it’s “his car”. If you’re married then it’s the family car. You should definitely be on the insurance which probably will save money - the insurance on my husband’s car went down when he added me (insurance companies charge on how likely the driver is to crash, and statistically, men who share a car with a woman are less likely to crash).

Anyway I’m sorry about all this OP. It isn’t gaslighting (except perhaps saying he wants to help you find your wings when he is the biggest problem!) but it is financial abuse. Talk to him, he may ‘just’ be on a power trip. Say you have joint outgoings and you need a joint budget. If he doesn’t want to put all his money in a joint account then would he be prepared to have a joint account that you both transfer money to in different percentages to reflect the differences in income?

What does being married mean to each of you? Traditionally the vows say “all that I have I share with you” to avoid this kinda thing... Maybe talk through what you each think is fair.

Sorry you’ve had such harsh responses, there are quite a few oddballs on mumsnet these days who prefer to make people feel bad than offer support and try to work through a problem.

purplelila2 · 18/02/2020 08:13

But OP how would you find a nursery to take your child on an adhoc basis?
Or different days each week?

I'd not be pleased if my husband did this essentially giving up a contract to be on zero hours.

Forgetfebuary · 18/02/2020 08:15

Sky's blue, odd balls who are not helpful are not a new thing

Mistystar99 · 18/02/2020 08:18

Don't like the sound of your partner at all.

beeblabs · 18/02/2020 08:23

@purplelila2 our son is already in nursery. It's UC that pay 80% of childcare back as part of a scheme to get parents back into work.

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beeblabs · 18/02/2020 08:26

@purplelila2 sorry. Just realised what you meant. The nursery he attends is v flexible. My manager will email the bours that need picking up at the start of each month and i tell the nursery!

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purplelila2 · 18/02/2020 08:28

ok fair enough your dc is already in nursery.
Giving up a set contract for zero ideas was a really bad idea.

Was there not an option of changing to a fixed contract in the week?

And do you essentially pay half of everything because UC tops up your income to similar to dh?

beeblabs · 18/02/2020 08:33

We only started claiming UC in December. My pay has been like that since the summer - mat pay went down.

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beeblabs · 18/02/2020 08:34

And no, I'm on nowhere near what he is on

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PersephoneandHades · 18/02/2020 08:57

While you are working and also providing the vast majority of childcare and housework it is completely unacceptable for you to be expected to pay 50% of the bills.

You messed up taking the loan out without discussing it with him, but as PP have said it pales in comparison to how he has acted regarding money thus far.

I would take this as an opportunity to seriously discuss your family finances; say your sorry for the rash decision regarding the loan but that it is just one more move made on lack of communication. Can you guys get a financial counsellor? Your DH needs to start paying his way and treating you with more respect.

RiftGibbon · 18/02/2020 09:00

He sounds very unpleasant in terms of his parenting ability (reluctant) and financial skills.
I think you need to have a discussion about equality within your relationship. There are serious issues here with regard to his attitude towards you.

LannieDuck · 18/02/2020 09:01

I understand why a couple would choose to have one person optimise their earning and the other do the majority of the childcare/housework. But your OH is having his cake and eating it - expecting you to do the majority (all?) of the childcare/housework and still contribute 50% to household expenses.

i.e. you're pulling your weight on the expenses and pulling both yours and his weight on the childcare and chores.

You need to have a conversation about all the roles in the house. Yes, you have more time to do your chores because you work PT... but if he wants you to do his share of chores too, then he needs to do your share of bill paying.

NB Even if he starts paying 100% of the bills, he still needs to pitch in in evenings/weekends.

strawberry2017 · 18/02/2020 09:05

I agree with @winter2020 with a supportive partner you could still do nights, my husband does shift work and I work days and we make it work.
Big difference is we support each other, yes we had to get another car as we couldn't make that work but again it was through supporting each other and our goals as a family.
I get why you did what you did, I think you could have discussed it with him until the cows come home and he wouldn't have supported you.
You shouldn't be paying half when you make less, it should be based on what you earn.
I know you mention he's stressed because he's moving up the ladder but with respect if he's only making £1300 a month it's not a very tall ladder.

Selmababies · 18/02/2020 09:05

If your son is in nursery, why can't you just get a contracted job in the week for three or four days a week, around your study day/s?
Then have the discussion with DH about contributing fairly to the family finances and shared housework and childcare.

slipperywhensparticus · 18/02/2020 09:11

For 1200 you can get a car and maybe pay towards the insurance

See if your job will give you some set hours too

Rosebel · 18/02/2020 17:50

I actually think with regards to work you've been unreasonable. How would you feel if your husband came home and said he'd changed his contract and was now on a 0 hours contract? Then you found out he'd taken out a loan on top of this? I don't think you'd be happy
No you shouldn't be paying half or doing everything at home but did you not talk about it before your son was born? Work out some sort of plan?
I'm not sure what to suggest because tbh neither of you seem happy or to care about each other. You are both being unreasonable in different ways but he's not gaslightimg you

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